Chiefs Ten Things About Last Night's Game - Page 2

**gblowfish** · 11:50 AM

Ten Things About Last Night's Game

10) I was guarded in my optimism going into last night's game. I haven't been able to make it up to St. Joe this year, but some of my best buds have, and I trust their judgement. They said offense still looked weak, and they're still not sold on Cassel as a legit leader. To me, he still has a slight stench of Grbac about him. I hoped the first string offense in general would play better. On defense, considering we went in tied at 3-3 at the half, I'll take that every time this year. Succop doinked a 53-yarder off the uprights, or we would have had the lead at the half. And the first half is really all that matters in these games, the second half is a battle of "who's third stringers and cuts are better?"

9) Who looked good? Charles looked like Charles. He averaged over 9 yards a carry. McCluster looked great on the sweeps, but I'm afraid he may get killed if they send him across the middle on a pass pattern. I know the guy is tough, but this is the NFL. I love his burst, he seems to have a fifth gear that our other backs, except for Charles, don't seem to have. The new DBs all looked pretty good. Berry made a nice open field tackle, Kendrick Lewis looked good on a safety blitz. Arenas averaged over 28 yards on kickoff returns, and had a TD called back on a hold by Cole (which should get him cut in the first cutdown, btw). All in all positive production by all our top round picks. Studebaker looked better

8) Who not so good? Both starting offensive and defensive lines. Falcon's first string guys pushed our defensive front all over the field with real vanilla straight ahead running plays. That's not good. I can't remember seeing an outstanding play by Dorsey or Jackson. They had four tackles between them, and no sacks. Considering how much we have invested in these guys, they should have a bigger impact. Leonard Pope sucks at TE. If he catches the ball, he falls down immediately. That's if he catches it at all. He has hands of stone. His only positive is he's 6'8". Even at that, Cassel overthrew him. How do you overthrow a target that's almost seven feet tall? Let's hope Brokiaki can get over his Croyle's disease and actually suit up and play. Speaking of Brokie, his interception was ugly. I think we have to look for a better number two guy. He's never won a game in the NFL, and I just don't think he's got the chops to be a winner. Palko? Telegraphs his passes. He's going to get his receivers killed. I'd rather have Shane Falco as my third guy. Ryan O'Callahan was basically a speed bump all night. He got beat over and over and over again in the first half. Barry Richardson looked a little better, then he got a leg injury at the very end of the game. DJ was basically invisible the whole game. Disappointing. He seems to either be all impact, or useless, no in between.

7) Todd Haley's body language on the sideline was interesting. Looked like he was doing a slow burn the whole game. He stood around with his arms crossed glowering at this players, and had some terse exchanges with some of the sideline coaches. Seems like the front office has drilled it into him NOT to make scene on the sideline this year. He's trying to stay calm, but you can see his true angry nature boiling under the surface. I predict he'll have a couple of Lou Pinella type explosions in pre-season. He just can't help it.

6) So far not impressed much with Charlie Weis. I know we run a pretty vanilla offense in pre-season, but we only threw the ball more than ten or fifteen yards twice that I can remember. Both times the receiver -some scrub named Horne- was wide open, but our QBs couldn't come close to hitting him. Lots of little dink and dunk passes. I'm afraid we're going to have a lot of six yard passed on third and ten again this year. And that makes me crazy. Special teams looked decent, our kicking and returning game should be above average this year.

5) When you compare the stats in the game -except for the score, of course- it looks more even than you might think. Chiefs gained more yards, had more first downs, went 50% in third down conversions, and ran the ball for 4.6 yards per carry. The big difference was turnovers and sacks. We had two picks, one fumble lost, and two sacks. Falcons had no turnovers and gave up no sacks.

4) I noticed our skill guys kept falling down on cuts a lot. Falcon skill guys seemed to have better footing. You'd think our equipment staff would get the right shoes for indoor field turf for our guys. Maybe their players are just more used to the Georgia Dome surface than our players, although our new indoor training field should have a fairly similar surface.

3) On the TV broadcast, this years pairing was Trent Green and Mike Kelly. Kelly is the radio play by play guy for Mizzou. He seemed to struggle. He mis-identified running backs several times, and Trent Green had to tactfully correct him. I think Green is very good. He's smart, and I can see him taking over for Len Dawson when he retires. Lenny is starting to get up there, and probably won't do games for too many more years. Green would be a natural replacement. I couldn't listen to Mitch and Lenny, because the lag between the TV broadcast and radio broadcast was about five or six seconds, and that was making me crazy. Radio was ahead of the TV. 101 needs to fix that, or lots of people are going to have to turn the radio off. It's just too distracting.

2) Tony Gonzalez looked great. But we got Arenas for his pick, and I feel like that's a good deal for both teams. Barring injury, we might have the best young secondary since we had Ross, Lewis, Burruss and Cherry. That's saying something.

1) Overall, I think we'll improve maybe by a couple games this year. I think 6-10 is about right. I'm just not sold on Cassel. He's been injury prone, he's not an accurate passer, and Chambers, who is supposed to be a main weapon, had one catch for six yards, so you can't tell much from that. I think teams will stack up to stop Charles on the run, and dare us to pass. When we do, there's no guarantee we'll be able to pass protect well enough to keep Cassel from throwing picks or fumbling, like he did last night. If Cassel goes down, we're really screwed. Croyle just isn't the answer. I'm not really disappointed, last night was about what I expected. It would just be nice to actually win a game now and then, even if they don't count.

teedubya · 08-14-2010, 11:54 AM

Assel sucks bad. Brodie looks more like an NFL quarterback. I would have much rather have Sanchez instead of Tyson Jackson... and much rather have kept that 2nd rounder last year to snag someone who epically fell.

Assel and Jackson are pathetic. And we could have used those picks on a much better scenario.

Red Brooklyn · 08-14-2010, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Are you saying that Thomas Jones leadership hasn't helped the dumbasses on the team any?

Oh, wait, I bet you're talking about Jackson and weight lifting.

I don't care who you are... that's funny, guys.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-14-2010, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

is it me, or did TJ look like he didn't light a single dumbell all offseason?

Shit, I just realized that I haven't gotten you pictures of the paintings since I've moved them.

I love the DT on the black wall, but I think I need to re-arrange things to put the JD painting on that wall as well.

mikey23545 · 08-14-2010, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Nice job with this post, dude.

Disagree with the above, though. If you told me that we'd trade Gonzo for a nickle corner/return specialist, I would have preferred to keep TG to help with the development of Cassel and the offense as a whole.

We didn't trade a 24 year old Gonzo for a possibly great return specialist/nickle corner, we traded an old, near-the-end-of-the-road, didn't-want-to-play-here-anymore Gonzo...

Great trade.

**DeezNutz** · 08-14-2010, 12:08 PM

Really like the abstract background in the DT painting.

OTW, have you considered creating a black border (for lack of a better word) for behind the Delaney work? Not the entire wall, of course, just an appropriate amount so that the wall seems like an extension of the art.

stevieray · 08-14-2010, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Shit, I just realized that I haven't gotten you pictures of the paintings since I've moved them.

I love the DT on the black wall, but I think I need to re-arrange things to put the JD painting on that wall as well.

oh yeah dude..that looks awesome on the black...I agree about JD.

thanks!

stevieray · 08-14-2010, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Really like the abstract background in the DT painting.

OTW, have you considered creating a black border (for lack of a better word) for behind the Delaney work? Not the entire wall, of course, just an appropriate amount so that the wall seems like an extension of the art.

ooooh that's a great idea

mikey23545 · 08-14-2010, 12:09 PM

Oh, and great post, gblowfish.

**DeezNutz** · 08-14-2010, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey23545

We didn't trade a 24 year old Gonzo for a possibly great return specialist/nickle corner, we traded an old, near-the-end-of-the-road, didn't-want-to-play-here-anymore Gonzo...

Great trade.

I'm great with the idea of trading Gonzo. I just hate that we completely wasted the opportunity on the type of player that can be had in round 5.

stevieray · 08-14-2010, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Are you saying that Thomas Jones leadership hasn't helped the dumbasses on the team any?

Oh, wait, I bet you're talking about Jackson and weight lifting.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-14-2010, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

oh yeah dude..that looks awesome on the black...I agree about JD.

thanks!

Sorry it took so long. No excuses.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Really like the abstract background in the DT painting.

OTW, have you considered creating a black border (for lack of a better word) for behind the Delaney work? Not the entire wall, of course, just an appropriate amount so that the wall seems like an extension of the art.

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Originally Posted by stevieray

ooooh that's a great idea

How would you recommend doing it?

It may just be easier to move it over to the black wall. It looked incredible over there.

T-post Tom · 08-14-2010, 12:16 PM

Good takes. Although, I think Weiss is going to be just fine. The lack of deep passes were more a product of the QBs/Receivers play and it being the first preseason game. (And there were also some obvious protection issues along the way.)

As for Green, I think he's got his eye on a bigger spotlight. I don't see him doing Chiefs' radio broadcasts. jmho

**DeezNutz** · 08-14-2010, 12:16 PM

Tape off three to four inches around the art. Remove. Paint. Re-hang. Just a thought. Would be quick work.

Wall then acts like a frame for the canvas.

T-post Tom · 08-14-2010, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey23545

We didn't trade a 24 year old Gonzo for a possibly great return specialist/nickle corner, we traded an old, near-the-end-of-the-road, didn't-want-to-play-here-anymore Gonzo...

Great trade.

Yeppers.

stevieray · 08-14-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Sorry it took so long. No excuses.

How would you recommend doing it?

It may just be easier to move it over to the black wall. It looked incredible over there.

no worries, it's not like you blew a knee out or anything...if you want to keep it on the red..go behind the painting about an inch with the black and do maybe three or four inch border around the outside...I'd draw a chalk line around the painting and then tape off from that point.

sorry gman, don't mean to hijack the epic ten things thread.

08-14-2010, 11:24 AM
gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $17646178 VARSITY	Ten Things About Last Night's Game Ten Things About Last Night's Game 10) I was guarded in my optimism going into last night's game. I haven't been able to make it up to St. Joe this year, but some of my best buds have, and I trust their judgement. They said offense still looked weak, and they're still not sold on Cassel as a legit leader. To me, he still has a slight stench of Grbac about him. I hoped the first string offense in general would play better. On defense, considering we went in tied at 3-3 at the half, I'll take that every time this year. Succop doinked a 53-yarder off the uprights, or we would have had the lead at the half. And the first half is really all that matters in these games, the second half is a battle of "who's third stringers and cuts are better?" 9) Who looked good? Charles looked like Charles. He averaged over 9 yards a carry. McCluster looked great on the sweeps, but I'm afraid he may get killed if they send him across the middle on a pass pattern. I know the guy is tough, but this is the NFL. I love his burst, he seems to have a fifth gear that our other backs, except for Charles, don't seem to have. The new DBs all looked pretty good. Berry made a nice open field tackle, Kendrick Lewis looked good on a safety blitz. Arenas averaged over 28 yards on kickoff returns, and had a TD called back on a hold by Cole (which should get him cut in the first cutdown, btw). All in all positive production by all our top round picks. Studebaker looked better 8) Who not so good? Both starting offensive and defensive lines. Falcon's first string guys pushed our defensive front all over the field with real vanilla straight ahead running plays. That's not good. I can't remember seeing an outstanding play by Dorsey or Jackson. They had four tackles between them, and no sacks. Considering how much we have invested in these guys, they should have a bigger impact. Leonard Pope sucks at TE. If he catches the ball, he falls down immediately. That's if he catches it at all. He has hands of stone. His only positive is he's 6'8". Even at that, Cassel overthrew him. How do you overthrow a target that's almost seven feet tall? Let's hope Brokiaki can get over his Croyle's disease and actually suit up and play. Speaking of Brokie, his interception was ugly. I think we have to look for a better number two guy. He's never won a game in the NFL, and I just don't think he's got the chops to be a winner. Palko? Telegraphs his passes. He's going to get his receivers killed. I'd rather have Shane Falco as my third guy. Ryan O'Callahan was basically a speed bump all night. He got beat over and over and over again in the first half. Barry Richardson looked a little better, then he got a leg injury at the very end of the game. DJ was basically invisible the whole game. Disappointing. He seems to either be all impact, or useless, no in between. 7) Todd Haley's body language on the sideline was interesting. Looked like he was doing a slow burn the whole game. He stood around with his arms crossed glowering at this players, and had some terse exchanges with some of the sideline coaches. Seems like the front office has drilled it into him NOT to make scene on the sideline this year. He's trying to stay calm, but you can see his true angry nature boiling under the surface. I predict he'll have a couple of Lou Pinella type explosions in pre-season. He just can't help it. 6) So far not impressed much with Charlie Weis. I know we run a pretty vanilla offense in pre-season, but we only threw the ball more than ten or fifteen yards twice that I can remember. Both times the receiver -some scrub named Horne- was wide open, but our QBs couldn't come close to hitting him. Lots of little dink and dunk passes. I'm afraid we're going to have a lot of six yard passed on third and ten again this year. And that makes me crazy. Special teams looked decent, our kicking and returning game should be above average this year. 5) When you compare the stats in the game -except for the score, of course- it looks more even than you might think. Chiefs gained more yards, had more first downs, went 50% in third down conversions, and ran the ball for 4.6 yards per carry. The big difference was turnovers and sacks. We had two picks, one fumble lost, and two sacks. Falcons had no turnovers and gave up no sacks. 4) I noticed our skill guys kept falling down on cuts a lot. Falcon skill guys seemed to have better footing. You'd think our equipment staff would get the right shoes for indoor field turf for our guys. Maybe their players are just more used to the Georgia Dome surface than our players, although our new indoor training field should have a fairly similar surface. 3) On the TV broadcast, this years pairing was Trent Green and Mike Kelly. Kelly is the radio play by play guy for Mizzou. He seemed to struggle. He mis-identified running backs several times, and Trent Green had to tactfully correct him. I think Green is very good. He's smart, and I can see him taking over for Len Dawson when he retires. Lenny is starting to get up there, and probably won't do games for too many more years. Green would be a natural replacement. I couldn't listen to Mitch and Lenny, because the lag between the TV broadcast and radio broadcast was about five or six seconds, and that was making me crazy. Radio was ahead of the TV. 101 needs to fix that, or lots of people are going to have to turn the radio off. It's just too distracting. 2) Tony Gonzalez looked great. But we got Arenas for his pick, and I feel like that's a good deal for both teams. Barring injury, we might have the best young secondary since we had Ross, Lewis, Burruss and Cherry. That's saying something. 1) Overall, I think we'll improve maybe by a couple games this year. I think 6-10 is about right. I'm just not sold on Cassel. He's been injury prone, he's not an accurate passer, and Chambers, who is supposed to be a main weapon, had one catch for six yards, so you can't tell much from that. I think teams will stack up to stop Charles on the run, and dare us to pass. When we do, there's no guarantee we'll be able to pass protect well enough to keep Cassel from throwing picks or fumbling, like he did last night. If Cassel goes down, we're really screwed. Croyle just isn't the answer. I'm not really disappointed, last night was about what I expected. It would just be nice to actually win a game now and then, even if they don't count. 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T-post Tom Threepeat! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Milk/Honey/Gazland Casino cash: $4447293	Good takes. Although, I think Weiss is going to be just fine. The lack of deep passes were more a product of the QBs/Receivers play and it being the first preseason game. (And there were also some obvious protection issues along the way.) As for Green, I think he's got his eye on a bigger spotlight. I don't see him doing Chiefs' radio broadcasts. jmho __________________ You seem nice!
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