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Old 08-11-2014, 05:02 PM  
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Old 08-11-2014, 09:07 PM   #166
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His death is a little ironic given his role in "What dreams may come". RIP knowing that you brought joy and laughter to millions.
I was thinking that too

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also, maybe caliendo can do a suicide impression
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Old 08-11-2014, 09:08 PM   #167
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Old 08-11-2014, 09:22 PM   #168
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Old 08-11-2014, 09:25 PM   #169
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He died two years ago. That not an eternity..
An argument could be made that the last two years have brought more understanding of concussions and its effects than the previous 5000 years combined.

I think depression falls into this category too. Just because we can't fully understand why Robin Williams would feel so overwhelmed that he needed to just end the pain doesn't mean we shouldn't show empathy or celebrate his life.
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Old 08-11-2014, 09:28 PM   #170
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Depression is a heavy, heavy thing. Sometimes death is A LOT easier than living. Sometimes, not committing suicide is an accomplishment.

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Old 08-11-2014, 09:29 PM   #171
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An argument could be made that the last two years have brought more understanding of concussions and its effects than the previous 5000 years combined.

I think depression falls into this category too. Just because we can't fully understand why Robin Williams would feel so overwhelmed that he needed to just end the pain doesn't mean we shouldn't show empathy or celebrate his life.
No it's just because people only see some instances of suicide as tragedy and others they see as just or cowardly.
And you totally missed my point. I think it's great people are celebrating his life and the same should have been done for Seau. Williams is getting empathy and Seau got none and even hatred. Or at least if you aren't going to "celebrate" that person's life, let's at least not cast stones.
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Old 08-11-2014, 09:30 PM   #172
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Old 08-11-2014, 09:33 PM   #173
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What happened to the last 20?
When I first read this, I thought smoke and fire was probably being blown up our asses...however, now I seriously doubt that.
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Old 08-11-2014, 09:34 PM   #174
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No it's just because people only see some instances of suicide as tragedy and others they see as just or cowardly.
And you totally missed my point. I think it's great people are celebrating his life and the same should have been done for Seau. Williams is getting empathy and Seau got none and even hatred. Or at least if you aren't going to "celebrate" that person's life, let's at least not cast stones.
FTR, I see all suicide as cowardly.

I also understand that there are some diseases of the mind that can really **** a person up. But that doesn't mean you just give in and leave loved ones behind hurting. And I realize it often times is not that simple. But simple or not, it is still cowardly.
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Old 08-11-2014, 09:41 PM   #175
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FTR, I see all suicide as cowardly.

I also understand that there are some diseases of the mind that can really **** a person up. But that doesn't mean you just give in and leave loved ones behind hurting. And I realize it often times is not that simple. But simple or not, it is still cowardly.
Well you and I can disagree right there. Cowardly is not the word I'd use. He's someone who has gotten help through his life and it clearly didn't help. I'll never judge another for not knowing the pain they go through on a daily basis. And I don't care what a person has done in their life. Suicide is suicide and a healthy brain doesn't make that choice. That was my only point with these posts.
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I remember reading one of lewdog's comments in the Junior Seau suicide thread when Seau's mom gave the speech... he was like, "that speech was really awkward. Just saying." Or something along those lines. Sticks out to me because I was sitting there watching that on TV myself, trying to pinpoint how I perceived it and boom....awkward.... it was as simple as that. Her speech made me feel awkward.
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Well you and I can disagree right there. Cowardly is not the word I'd use. He's someone who has gotten help through his life and it clearly didn't help. I'll never judge another for not knowing the pain they go through on a daily basis. And I don't care what a person has done in their life. Suicide is suicide and a healthy brain doesn't make that choice. That was my only point with these posts.
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Well you and I can disagree right there. Cowardly is not the word I'd use. He's someone who has gotten help through his life and it clearly didn't help. I'll never judge another for not knowing the pain they go through on a daily basis. And I don't care what a person has done in their life. Suicide is suicide and a healthy brain doesn't make that choice. That was my only point with these posts.
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Well you and I can disagree right there. Cowardly is not the word I'd use. He's someone who has gotten help through his life and it clearly didn't help. I'll never judge another for not knowing the pain they go through on a daily basis. And I don't care what a person has done in their life. Suicide is suicide and a healthy brain doesn't make that choice. That was my only point with these posts.
Yes. It's rather unfair to expect a diseased organ to perform in a healthy manner. If a brain's decision making ability is being influenced by faulty interpretation of input, that brain cannot be expected to produce rational output. I cannot find any more intentional fault in what Robin Williams did than I could find in Ray Charles not being able to tell me which card is the ace of spades and which is the six of diamonds.
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Well you and I can disagree right there. Cowardly is not the word I'd use. He's someone who has gotten help through his life and it clearly didn't help. I'll never judge another for not knowing the pain they go through on a daily basis. And I don't care what a person has done in their life. Suicide is suicide and a healthy brain doesn't make that choice. That was my only point with these posts.
Not necessarily true. A brain can be healthy and a spirit completely broken. But that is a different subject altogether.


What I would like to key on is the comment you made about him having had help all his life. To me that makes his decision worse. I mentioned an ex earlier. Not long after she was diagnosed we got back together (it had been on again off again for about 3 years). Being as that she was diagnosed she was prescribed meds. One of her doctors visits still fairly early on she had a fill in doctor who looked at what she was taking and told her he didn't think she needed one of the prescriptions. Feeling like shit because she needed meds to feel normal anyway she was happy to quit. This started leading to a semi-slow decline. I even told her the afternoon before she just up and vanished Into the ****ing night on me that I had noticed a change since she had gone off the one prescription. she agreed with me saying she had noticed it to. Did she decide to start taking it again? No, she chose to stay off of it. She CHOSE to stay off of it AND run from me. She ended up in a bad way for a few months after that, picked up one night on the side of the road all ****ed up and talking suicide again. She was taken to a psych ward where she stayed a week or ten days or whatever it was (I just found out about this around a year ago, it was at that time about a two year old story).

The point is she knew she admitted she was slipping. She knew between me and her family she had plenty of help. She made her decision. Thankfully it didn't turn out as bad as it could have. She still had a choice, KNEW she had a choice and chose to run in the wrong direction. Part of that is the illness, yes. But she had made the right choice before, she was capable of doing so again. Robin Williams had the same, if not more life lines. He made the right choice plenty of times before. He made a different choice this time. Sad as it is, he still made a choice.

I've told more about this shit than I typically would. It is past my bed time. I'm going to bed. Good night to you and everyone else. I'll check back in tomorrow.
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