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Old 12-27-2012, 01:01 PM   #1
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Mayock on Blaine Gabbert.
And Cam Newton went ahead of him
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Old 12-27-2012, 01:28 PM   #2
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Mayock on Blaine Gabbert.
But here's the thing - Pest, is anything he said there inaccurate?

He's a big, strong-armed QB with bad feet that leaves the pocket too soon. He came up from a spread offense and needed to learn a lot at the NFL level.

Absolutely all of that was accurate. What he didn't get right was his belief that Gabbert would be able to overcome that. Frankly, I don't believe Gabbert had a prayer in JAX. That was an awful situation, especially for a kid that clearly needed a year or even 2 of study and preparation for this level.

Mayock wasn't wrong in his analysis, he was just wrong in how Gabbert developed. Can you really hold the fact that Jacksonville threw Gabbert to the wolves well before he was ready?

I like Mayock quite a bit.
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Old 12-27-2012, 01:33 PM   #3
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But here's the thing - Pest, is anything he said there inaccurate?

He's a big, strong-armed QB with bad feet that leaves the pocket too soon. He came up from a spread offense and needed to learn a lot at the NFL level.

Absolutely all of that was accurate. What he didn't get right was his belief that Gabbert would be able to overcome that. Frankly, I don't believe Gabbert had a prayer in JAX. That was an awful situation, especially for a kid that clearly needed a year or even 2 of study and preparation for this level.

Mayock wasn't wrong in his analysis, he was just wrong in how Gabbert developed. Can you really hold the fact that Jacksonville threw Gabbert to the wolves well before he was ready?

I like Mayock quite a bit.
I was going off of the fact that he said that Gabbert was the ONLY QB worthy of being taken in the top 5 that year.
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Old 12-27-2012, 01:42 PM   #4
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I was going off of the fact that he said that Gabbert was the ONLY QB worthy of being taken in the top 5 that year.
Okay, let's say we spot him Newton, who I wasn't terribly fond of either. Was there any other QB that year worth taking that high?

Locker? Ponder? Dalton? In hindsight, Kaepernick is likely to be a very good one, but you're full of shit if you try to claim you were on board with taking him in the top 5.

I mean hell, look at how loaded the top of that draft was. Miller, Green, Peterson, Jones, Smith and Watt are all insanely good. Newton is clearly the only person that belongs in that class of players and even then, Miller, Green, Smith and Watt are arguably more valuable. And Mayock was hardly alone on not like Newton.

What I'm trying to say is that he really didn't miss by much, did he? He believed Gabbert could be developed to overcome shortcomings that he clearly identified - it didn't happen (and the Jags are at least partially responsible for that).

It wasn't a JaMarcus Russel will be the next Elway style ****up...
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:01 PM   #5
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Okay, let's say we spot him Newton, who I wasn't terribly fond of either. Was there any other QB that year worth taking that high?

Locker? Ponder? Dalton? In hindsight, Kaepernick is likely to be a very good one, but you're full of shit if you try to claim you were on board with taking him in the top 5.

I mean hell, look at how loaded the top of that draft was. Miller, Green, Peterson, Jones, Smith and Watt are all insanely good. Newton is clearly the only person that belongs in that class of players and even then, Miller, Green, Smith and Watt are arguably more valuable. And Mayock was hardly alone on not like Newton.

What I'm trying to say is that he really didn't miss by much, did he? He believed Gabbert could be developed to overcome shortcomings that he clearly identified - it didn't happen (and the Jags are at least partially responsible for that).

It wasn't a JaMarcus Russel will be the next Elway style ****up...
This. I think Mayock is one of the better ones when it comes to talking about QBs.
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Old 12-27-2012, 12:58 PM   #6
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I've been saying for MONTHS that once Mayock comes out with his top 5s, everyone else will fall in line.

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I've been saying for MONTHS that once Mayock comes out with his top 5s, everyone else will fall in line.

Kiper is a follower, not a leader.
Kiper is Kramer with his hair fixed.
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Not to mention that before he declared that he wasn't entering the draft, Kiper had Landry Jones as his number 4 overall player last year.
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Mike Mayock's QB rankings from January 2011.

Quarterback:
*1. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
2. Jake Locker, Washington
*3. Cam Newton, Auburn
*4. Ryan Mallett, Arkansas
T-5. Andy Dalton, TCU
T-5. Ricky Stanzi, Iowa
T-5. Colin Kaepernick, Nevada
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Mike Mayock's QB rankings from January 2011.

Quarterback:
*1. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
2. Jake Locker, Washington
*3. Cam Newton, Auburn
*4. Ryan Mallett, Arkansas
T-5. Andy Dalton, TCU
T-5. Ricky Stanzi, Iowa
T-5. Colin Kaepernick, Nevada
T-5. Pat Devlin, Delaware
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Now I will give Kiper credit, Glennon will go 1st rd, but later in the 1st round. Depending on his work outs, 4th or 5th QB taken.
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Kiper's pre-combine rankings......

RGIII - 24th overall player
Vontaze Burfict - 15th overall player - "Great instincts, makes plays sideline to sideline and is far more disciplined than he gets credit for."
Landry Jones - 4th overall player
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