Chiefs Mid-Season Most Disappointing Player - Page 8

**Rain Man** · 11-12-2009, 05:26 PM

Okay, give me a minute. This is going to be a big list.

This vote is for the most disappointing player based on your expectations. Not the worst, but the most disappointing for you.

Chiefnj2 · 11-13-2009, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

how many of those completions were for 20 or more this year?

You said he wasn't accurate even on dump offs. 13 this year.

suds79 · 11-13-2009, 12:24 PM

I had to go with Albert.

I see Cassel has also received a lot of votes. But I think to be fair we all couldn't say for sure what we had in Cassel.

We all knew and saw that Brandon could be a good LT in this league from last year and Todd Haley (with his damn weight loss thing) and Bill Muir (with his inept coaching) have Albert going in the wrong direction.

Man if I could say anything to Brandon? (A little tongue in cheek here) Forget everything they've taught you and have a Twinkie.

wild1 · 11-13-2009, 12:38 PM

I'm inclined to cut Cassel some slack because

A. the offensive line is the worst group in football
B. his targets are the worst group in football

How do you get around that?

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-13-2009, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1

I'm inclined to cut Cassel some slack because

A. the offensive line is the worst group in football
B. his targets are the worst group in football

How do you get around that?

I don't think you can call a WR corp that features Dwayne Bowe, a consistent (until this season) 1,000 yard receiver "the worst in football".

Bradley was productive last year and Bowe had twice as many receptions through the halfway point as he does this year. Wade doesn't suck and neither does Chris Chambers.

At some point, you have to look at the QB's decision making AND at the playcaller.

kcpasco · 11-13-2009, 12:41 PM

Albert, because thats who we got for Allen.

kcpasco · 11-13-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1

I'm inclined to cut Cassel some slack because

A. the offensive line is the worst group in football
B. his targets are the worst group in footballHow do you get around that?

I don't agree with that

LaChapelle · 11-13-2009, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Chiefs09
I mean really, if cassel doesn't start to show something very soon, someone should start a petition to start Croyle. I would really love to see him get a couple starts, just to see if he can outplay Cassel.

I think he could, but Cassel will never get benched unless he gets injured

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This petition shit is going to get out of hand. People actually think they made a difference. I can see a petition to fire a beer vender in Chiefs fans future.

wild1 · 11-13-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco

I don't agree with that

With Gonzalez not around to open things up, it's Bowe and nobody. And Bowe is regressing.

Chiefnj2 · 11-13-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't think you can call a WR corp that features Dwayne Bowe, a consistent (until this season) 1,000 yard receiver "the worst in football".

Bradley was productive last year and Bowe had twice as many receptions through the halfway point as he does this year. Wade doesn't suck and neither does Chris Chambers.

At some point, you have to look at the QB's decision making AND at the playcaller.

How long has Cassel been playing with Wade and Chambers?

HC_Chief · 11-13-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1

With Gonzalez not around to open things up, it's Bowe and nobody. And Bowe is regressing.

Wade and Chambers are both decent #2 receivers. The corps is much better now than it was at the beginning of the season. The problem is our protection is absolute shit. Until we give the QB time to set, read, and throw, it won't matter who we have at wideout.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-13-2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

Wade and Chambers are both decent #2 receivers. The corps is much better now than it was at the beginning of the season. The problem is our protection is absolute shit. Until we give the QB time to set, read, and throw, it won't matter who we have at wideout.

I've been advocating more Spread and Shotgun formations so that Cassel's able to do just that.

I wonder why this hasn't been a much bigger part of the game plan because it would certainly help out Cassel.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-13-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

How long has Cassel been playing with Wade and Chambers?

How long has Favre played with Rice, Harvin & Berrian?

HC_Chief · 11-13-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I've been advocating more Spread and Shotgun formations so that Cassel's able to do just that.

I wonder why this hasn't been a much bigger part of the game plan because it would certainly help out Cassel.

You mean go back to the offense that CHAN GAILEY implemented last season to overcome the shit OL?

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-13-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

You mean go back to the offense that CHAN GAILEY implemented last season to overcome the shit OL?

I understand that there are Pro's and Con's to running the spread offense but quite frankly, I think the Chiefs would have been far more productive offensively if they had stuck with the Spread, especially considering the state of the offensive line.

I hope that with the addition of Chambers, we'll see the spread used quite a bit more this weekend because he has the ability to help open up both the passing lanes and running lanes.

HC_Chief · 11-13-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I understand that there are Pro's and Con's to running the spread offense but quite frankly, I think the Chiefs would have been far more productive offensively if they had stuck with the Spread, especially considering the state of the offensive line.

I hope that with the addition of Chambers, we'll see the spread used quite a bit more this weekend because he has the ability to help open up both the passing lanes and running lanes.

I agree... just pointing out the irony of the situation; if we had kept Gailey we would have been running that offense to begin with. We would most likely have had much different numbers across the board (including, IMO, in the W column).

View Poll Results: Who's most disappointed you relative to your expectations?
Albert	58	28.86%
Alleman	0	0%
Belcher	0	0%
Bowe	12	5.97%
Bradley	1	0.50%
Brown	19	9.45%
Carr	1	0.50%
Cassel	47	23.38%
Charles	0	0%
Colquitt	1	0.50%
Copper	0	0%
Cottam	1	0.50%
Cox	0	0%
Croyle	0	0%
Dorsey	1	0.50%
Edwards	0	0%
Flowers	0	0%
Gafford	0	0%
Gutierrez	0	0%
Hali	1	0.50%
Herron	0	0%
Jackson	2	1.00%
D. Johnson	15	7.46%
L. Johnson	16	7.96%
Leggett	2	1.00%
Magee	2	1.00%
Mays	1	0.50%
McGraw	0	0%
Morgan	0	0%
Ndukwe	0	0%
Niswanger	1	0.50%
O'Callaghan	0	0%
O'Connell	0	0%
Pope	0	0%
B. Richardson	0	0%
M. Richardson	0	0%
Ryan	2	1.00%
Savage	0	0%
Kenny Smith	0	0%
Wade Smith	0	0%
Studebaker	0	0%
Succop	1	0.50%
Vrabel	2	1.00%
Wade	0	0%
Walters	0	0%
Washington	1	0.50%
Waters	2	1.00%
D. Williams	0	0%
Someone not listed ___________________	1	0.50%
Why isn't this a multiple choice poll?	11	5.47%
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11-12-2009, 05:26 PM
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3218491 VARSITY	Mid-Season Most Disappointing Player Okay, give me a minute. This is going to be a big list. This vote is for the most disappointing player based on your expectations. Not the worst, but the most disappointing for you.
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11-13-2009, 12:24 PM	#107
suds79 MVP Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10005036	I had to go with Albert. I see Cassel has also received a lot of votes. But I think to be fair we all couldn't say for sure what we had in Cassel. We all knew and saw that Brandon could be a good LT in this league from last year and Todd Haley (with his damn weight loss thing) and Bill Muir (with his inept coaching) have Albert going in the wrong direction. Man if I could say anything to Brandon? (A little tongue in cheek here) Forget everything they've taught you and have a Twinkie.
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11-13-2009, 12:38 PM	#108
wild1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: 31040 Casino cash: $10004900	I'm inclined to cut Cassel some slack because A. the offensive line is the worst group in football B. his targets are the worst group in football How do you get around that?
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11-13-2009, 12:41 PM	#110
kcpasco MVP Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $7733463	Albert, because thats who we got for Allen. Last edited by kcpasco; 11-13-2009 at 12:41 PM.. Reason: mt
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11-13-2009, 12:44 PM	#112
LaChapelle Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $10004900	Originally Posted by Chiefs09 I mean really, if cassel doesn't start to show something very soon, someone should start a petition to start Croyle. I would really love to see him get a couple starts, just to see if he can outplay Cassel. I think he could, but Cassel will never get benched unless he gets injured ---------------- This petition shit is going to get out of hand. People actually think they made a difference. I can see a petition to fire a beer vender in Chiefs fans future.
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