Chiefs The playcalling difference... - Page 2

**petegz28** · 12-19-2011, 10:54 AM

The difference in playcalling yesterday compared to the entire season if not the last 3 seasons was just ****ing mind bottling! Not 1,2,3, but 4 screens in one game? TE's being hit over the middle for more than 3 yards? No Dex up the middle for -2?

Ok, so, was this really because of Orton who had practiced really all of one week? Or was this because Haley was not there to chain down Muir on the playcalling?

Don't get me wrong, I am not here to sell Muir as a good OC. But JFC...we were a totally different team all the way around? How does this happen in less than a week? How does a team that couldn't get a first down to save their life suddenly go to punting onl twice the entire game with 0 turnovers and 0 sacks?

Obviously Orton brings a lot to that situation but it was the non-passing plays that stuck out the most. Particularly the lack of running Mighty Mouse 1.5 up the middle constantly for not.

I think Haley was a damper on this offense. When Muir and Zorn can take the same roster of backups and retirees with a QB that has been practing for all of a few days and turnout the performance we saw against The Pack then yu have to say that either Orton was football God's gift to the Chiefs or Muir and Zorn were finally able to call an offense that would actually produce.

FAX · 12-19-2011, 11:09 AM

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**petegz28** · 12-19-2011, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Because they don't work with Cassel under center. He can't sell them because they require an extreme amount of patience under pressure.

I can't argue with this

**Fire Me Boy!** · 12-19-2011, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Yeah Dex rana couple draws but we saw him used far less in the running game than we have been. And I don't think we have ran dick for screens. I know we have tried a few here and there but nothing like we saw yesterday.

Not sure about how many we've tried, but I remember yesterday thinking, "Holy shit! We just ran a successful screen for the first time in forever!"

Shox · 12-19-2011, 11:09 AM

It was not play calling, it was quarterbacking and execution. We ran the same plays we just got to run a lot more of them because we did not have all the no gain and negative playes. It makes a huge difference when you block and complete passes.

htismaqe · 12-19-2011, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

I can't argue with this

boogblaster · 12-19-2011, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

1 different player threw the ball.

this ......

**The Franchise** · 12-19-2011, 11:18 AM

Yesterday is the way that we should have been using McClain all year.

htismaqe · 12-19-2011, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Yesterday is the way that we should have been using McClain all year.

They've tried, believe me.

Molitoth · 12-19-2011, 11:23 AM

One thing I noticed was that they were executing the quick bubble screen wonderfully.

I don't know if that was Muir's dumbass calling that play into the huddle or if Orton was doing a quick read audible, but I'd guess it was more Orton. He makes Cassel look like a pee-wee.

NY CHIEF · 12-19-2011, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Playcalling was better except for one series where they went ultraconservative.

10 different players caught the ball.

I didnt know we had 10 players that could catch the ball

trndobrd · 12-19-2011, 11:25 AM

The same plays are in the playbook. That hasn't changed, but the pattern that the plays were called yesterday was different and the play calling wasn't entirely predictable. It was almost as if there was an overarching plan and purpose in their play calling. Using the OL in space, screens to slow down the rush, etc. It almost made me think someone had watched some film.

Obviously having a legitimate NFL quarterback made many plays more successful, and even those that were not made the Packers react (thinking of the incomplete to Baldwin on the three).

Yesterday, when they had succes the stuck with it. For instance, they kept running the screen until GB made an adjustment. Previously, when something had been successful Jones immedately went back in for another dose of Herm-ball. GB never did have an answer for the outside running game.

Now just to find a solution to the goal line offense (cough..Bowe in the corner...cough).

ReynardMuldrake · 12-19-2011, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

One thing I noticed was that they were executing the quick bubble screen wonderfully.

I don't know if that was Muir's dumbass calling that play into the huddle or if Orton was doing a quick read audible, but I'd guess it was more Orton. He makes Cassel look like a pee-wee.

Yeah, I got giddy seeing Orton call an audible yesterday. I'd forgotten what those looked like!

Chiefnj2 · 12-19-2011, 11:27 AM

Playcalling was different. Seemed like Jones and McClain were used much more. I didn't notice Dex in the backfield all that much attempting to pick up blitzes.

DanT · 12-19-2011, 11:28 AM

It seemed tp me that the play calling was only a little bit different, but that Orton was a lot more poised in the pocket than our other QBs have been. If you settle into the pocket and look downfield, you can find opportunities with our receivers. Orton played a gutsy game yesterday, it seemed to me, just by staying in the pocket and picking his shots.

**DaFace** · 12-19-2011, 11:29 AM

Playcalling looked about the same to me. The difference is that we had a QB who could execute.

12-19-2011, 10:54 AM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $2614127	The playcalling difference... The difference in playcalling yesterday compared to the entire season if not the last 3 seasons was just ****ing mind bottling! Not 1,2,3, but 4 screens in one game? TE's being hit over the middle for more than 3 yards? No Dex up the middle for -2? Ok, so, was this really because of Orton who had practiced really all of one week? Or was this because Haley was not there to chain down Muir on the playcalling? Don't get me wrong, I am not here to sell Muir as a good OC. But JFC...we were a totally different team all the way around? How does this happen in less than a week? How does a team that couldn't get a first down to save their life suddenly go to punting onl twice the entire game with 0 turnovers and 0 sacks? Obviously Orton brings a lot to that situation but it was the non-passing plays that stuck out the most. Particularly the lack of running Mighty Mouse 1.5 up the middle constantly for not. I think Haley was a damper on this offense. When Muir and Zorn can take the same roster of backups and retirees with a QB that has been practing for all of a few days and turnout the performance we saw against The Pack then yu have to say that either Orton was football God's gift to the Chiefs or Muir and Zorn were finally able to call an offense that would actually produce.
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Shox Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $10005765	It was not play calling, it was quarterbacking and execution. We ran the same plays we just got to run a lot more of them because we did not have all the no gain and negative playes. It makes a huge difference when you block and complete passes.
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Molitoth Mahomes Fanboi Join Date: Apr 2004 Casino cash: $2844969	One thing I noticed was that they were executing the quick bubble screen wonderfully. I don't know if that was Muir's dumbass calling that play into the huddle or if Orton was doing a quick read audible, but I'd guess it was more Orton. He makes Cassel look like a pee-wee.
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12-19-2011, 11:25 AM	#26
trndobrd 'Stachecicle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Tolerance Box Casino cash: $4815087	The same plays are in the playbook. That hasn't changed, but the pattern that the plays were called yesterday was different and the play calling wasn't entirely predictable. It was almost as if there was an overarching plan and purpose in their play calling. Using the OL in space, screens to slow down the rush, etc. It almost made me think someone had watched some film. Obviously having a legitimate NFL quarterback made many plays more successful, and even those that were not made the Packers react (thinking of the incomplete to Baldwin on the three). Yesterday, when they had succes the stuck with it. For instance, they kept running the screen until GB made an adjustment. Previously, when something had been successful Jones immedately went back in for another dose of Herm-ball. GB never did have an answer for the outside running game. Now just to find a solution to the goal line offense (cough..Bowe in the corner...cough). __________________ "I don't really think there is a need to raise or debate this point." -jAZ
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12-19-2011, 11:27 AM	#28
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7853688	Playcalling was different. Seemed like Jones and McClain were used much more. I didn't notice Dex in the backfield all that much attempting to pick up blitzes. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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DanT Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Davis, CA Casino cash: $4361711	It seemed tp me that the play calling was only a little bit different, but that Orton was a lot more poised in the pocket than our other QBs have been. If you settle into the pocket and look downfield, you can find opportunities with our receivers. Orton played a gutsy game yesterday, it seemed to me, just by staying in the pocket and picking his shots.
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DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $1846899	Playcalling looked about the same to me. The difference is that we had a QB who could execute.
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