Football Do you care about player safety? - Page 4

**Canofbier** · 01-27-2013, 09:19 AM

Although some of the suggested changes go too far (rumors of Goodell wanting to eliminate kickoffs, for instance), I can't help but be a little concerned for the future of the game if nothing is done at all.

Either detection is improving or the speed of the game is causing more concussions; either way, the long-term effects of head injuries are becoming more known by the general public. I can't help but wonder how much of an effect on the next generation of players. Sure, the kids won't care, but their parents probably will. "Gee, I think I'll sign little Johnny up for soccer instead. It's so much safer, and the boys on the team are just so nice!" Not how I want the future of US sports to be.

htismaqe · 01-27-2013, 09:55 AM

I will care more about player safety when the players start caring more about player safety.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-27-2013, 10:11 AM

Yes, I care about player safety. Big time.

I care about Bountygate because I think it absolutely sucks that Brett Favre couldn't play in the last drive of a playoff game. Players who intentionally try to hurt a player are cheating, in my opinion.

I care because I hate watching any game where you have a neutered backup to a star player. I want to see the best players on the field. And I don't like watching careers get cut short.

I care because the solution shouldn't be this hard. Teach players to wrap up instead of going for kill shots.

Ace Gunner · 01-27-2013, 10:07 AM

No. and I don't care about replay & all that is associated with "the perfect officiating" of football.

Give me good refs that are going to make mistakes now and then and give me a football game where players can go all out FTW.

**Buehler445** · 01-27-2013, 10:21 AM

I care about the big shit. Facemasks chop block horse collars (to a lesser extent). But at some point, high salary should offset risk. There is a much higher chance of death while I'm on the job than a football player, and they make a ****load more money than I do. This whole safety thing is quite ridiculous.

**Buehler445** · 01-27-2013, 10:29 AM

I care about the big shit. Facemasks chop block horse collars (to a lesser extent). But at some point, high salary should offset risk. There is a much higher chance of death while I'm on the job than a football player, and they make a ****load more money than I do. This whole safety thing is quite ridiculous.

keg in kc · 01-27-2013, 11:05 AM

I care about the concussion issue a lot, and I think they need to continue to research and develop ways to help with that (if there are ways). Things like horseshoe collars and chop blocks and so on, as well, where guys can get injured by unprofessional behavior.

I do not, however, care for or about the way the quarterback position is treated. They might as well just put a 3 foot halo around them and be done with it. And that has nothing at all to do with player safety, that has to do with owner security, and the risk of losing hundreds of millions if their guy goes down. And I do mean hundreds, it involves a lot more money than just the contract.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-27-2013, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I care about the concussion issue a lot, and I think they need to continue to research and develop ways to help with that (if there are ways).

I do not care about the way the quarterback position is treated. They might as well just put a 3 foot halo around them and be done with it. And that has nothing at all to do with player safety, that has to do with owner security, and the risk of losing hundreds of millions if their guy goes down. And I do mean hundreds, it involves a lot more money than just the contract.

I love the way QBs are treated.

It doesn't just have to do with owner security. It has to do with competitive advantage. Without rules, it would be easy to Tonya Harding the QB. If you need extra rules in place, fine. I absolutely hate watching QBs get injured, because I love watching the best players play. I hate watching a good team become uncompetitive because their star player is out.

keg in kc · 01-27-2013, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It doesn't just have to do with owner security. It has to do with competitive advantage. Without rules, it would be easy to Tonya Harding the QB. If you need extra rules in place, fine. I absolutely hate watching QBs get injured, because I love watching the best players play. I hate watching a good team become uncompetitive because their star player is out.

They should protect them the way they protect every other player. You want to prevent flagrant hits. You don't want to completely prevent hits altogether. Part of the game for everyone is playing through pain, and part of the game is injury. That's just the way it is. Players get hurt, and it doesn't have to have anything to do with tackling. Hell, we've seen qbs break fingers and hands because they hit a guy's helmet on a follow through. Uh oh, that dastardly defensive player got his head in the way!

There are far too many flags for plays that aren't even remotely flagrant.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-27-2013, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

They should protect them the way they protect every other player. You want to prevent flagrant hits. You don't want to completely prevent hits altogether. Part of the game for everyone is playing through pain, and part of the game is injury. That's just the way it is. Players get hurt, and it doesn't have to have anything to do with tackling. Hell, we've seen qbs break fingers and hands because they hit a guy's helmet on a follow through. Uh oh, that dastardly defensive player got his head in the way!

There are far too many flags for plays that aren't even remotely flagrant.

I hate when people say "part of the game" as if that means you're not allowed to change things. Injuries are a part of the game. That doesn't mean you can't reduce them. I hate injuries. I want to see the best players on the field. And I especially don't want to see players "cheat" by knocking the best players out of the game because there's a loose interpretation of what a legal hit is.

It's pretty simple. Don't lead with your helmet. Form tackle. Don't do things extracurricularly that could injure another player (e.g. roll into a QBs legs or try to kill the QB instead of going for a sack). And stop teaching defenders the mentality that your goal is to knock players out.

Thing is... coaches who coach good fundamental football? They have no problem with the increased enforcement of these rules.

keg in kc · 01-27-2013, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I hate when people say "part of the game" as if that means you're not allowed to change things. Injuries are a part of the game. That doesn't mean you can't reduce them. I hate injuries. I want to see the best players on the field. And I especially don't want to see players "cheat" by knocking the best players out of the game because there's a loose interpretation of what a legal hit is.

It's pretty simple. Don't lead with your helmet. Form tackle. Don't do things extracurricularly that could injure another player (e.g. roll into a QBs legs or try to kill the QB instead of going for a sack). And stop teaching defenders the mentality that your goal is to knock players out.

Thing is... coaches who coach good fundamental football? They have no problem with the increased enforcement of these rules.

Where did I say anything that disagrees with any of that?

What I'm saying is that they need to apply the same rules to everyone, protect everyone from illegal hits, emphasize correct fundamentals, but don't make it tackle football for 10 players and two hand touch for the 11th.

I'm not saying I want to see QBs knocked out, I'm saying I want to stop seeing flags when when a guy's finger touches the QB somewhere above his waist. It's getting ridiculous. I'm not saying go back to the 60s and 70s and make it open season.

HoneyBadger · 01-27-2013, 11:08 AM

We pay these people to entertain us. So no.

**007** · 01-27-2013, 11:13 AM

but they are not gladiators....

Bring back gladiators!!!!!

FloridaMan88 · 01-27-2013, 11:13 AM

I think the players are risking minimizing the public's empathy towards player safety issues when they use concussions, post-concussion issues, etc. as a lawsuit ATM to get $$$.

Louie Aguiar, former Chiefs punter is Exhibit A of this. He is one of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit suing the NFL for damages relating to concussions.

Aguiar barely got touched in his NFL career as a punter... much less received consistent direct hits to the head.

htismaqe · 01-27-2013, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

I think the players are risking minimizing the public's empathy towards player safety issues when they use concussions, post-concussion issues, etc. as a lawsuit ATM to get $$$.

Louie Aguiar, former Chiefs punter is Exhibit A of this. He is one of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit suing the NFL for damages relating to concussions.

Aguiar barely got touched in his NFL career as a punter... much less received consistent direct hits to the head.

They appeal EVERY FINE. Even when it was blatantly flagrant or even illegal.

The players and their union are hypocrites and until they get that straight, I can't find myself to care how badly they get hurt.

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I care about player safety and I am ok with the game being less interesting in the name of player safety.	16	14.16%
I care about player safety, but I don't want any changes that would make the game less interesting.	62	54.87%
I don't care about player safety, I just want the game to be as exciting as possible.	30	26.55%
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01-27-2013, 09:19 AM	#1
Canofbier ¡RIOS MIO! Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Minneapolis Casino cash: $5876981	Although some of the suggested changes go too far (rumors of Goodell wanting to eliminate kickoffs, for instance), I can't help but be a little concerned for the future of the game if nothing is done at all. Either detection is improving or the speed of the game is causing more concussions; either way, the long-term effects of head injuries are becoming more known by the general public. I can't help but wonder how much of an effect on the next generation of players. Sure, the kids won't care, but their parents probably will. "Gee, I think I'll sign little Johnny up for soccer instead. It's so much safer, and the boys on the team are just so nice!" Not how I want the future of US sports to be.
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01-27-2013, 09:55 AM	#2
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10269900	I will care more about player safety when the players start caring more about player safety.
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01-27-2013, 10:11 AM	#3
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $1904497	Yes, I care about player safety. Big time. I care about Bountygate because I think it absolutely sucks that Brett Favre couldn't play in the last drive of a playoff game. Players who intentionally try to hurt a player are cheating, in my opinion. I care because I hate watching any game where you have a neutered backup to a star player. I want to see the best players on the field. And I don't like watching careers get cut short. I care because the solution shouldn't be this hard. Teach players to wrap up instead of going for kill shots.
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01-27-2013, 10:07 AM	#4
Ace Gunner First Overall Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: kcmo Casino cash: $10007271	No. and I don't care about replay & all that is associated with "the perfect officiating" of football. Give me good refs that are going to make mistakes now and then and give me a football game where players can go all out FTW. __________________ The Greatest
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01-27-2013, 10:21 AM	#5
Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $2114734	I care about the big shit. Facemasks chop block horse collars (to a lesser extent). But at some point, high salary should offset risk. There is a much higher chance of death while I'm on the job than a football player, and they make a ****load more money than I do. This whole safety thing is quite ridiculous.
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01-27-2013, 10:29 AM	#6
Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $2114734	I care about the big shit. Facemasks chop block horse collars (to a lesser extent). But at some point, high salary should offset risk. There is a much higher chance of death while I'm on the job than a football player, and they make a ****load more money than I do. This whole safety thing is quite ridiculous.
Posts: 56,882

01-27-2013, 11:05 AM	#7
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	I care about the concussion issue a lot, and I think they need to continue to research and develop ways to help with that (if there are ways). Things like horseshoe collars and chop blocks and so on, as well, where guys can get injured by unprofessional behavior. I do not, however, care for or about the way the quarterback position is treated. They might as well just put a 3 foot halo around them and be done with it. And that has nothing at all to do with player safety, that has to do with owner security, and the risk of losing hundreds of millions if their guy goes down. And I do mean hundreds, it involves a lot more money than just the contract.
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01-27-2013, 11:08 AM	#12
HoneyBadger The chosen one Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: OC, California Casino cash: $1485760	We pay these people to entertain us. So no.
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01-27-2013, 11:13 AM	#13
007 Shaken. Not stirred. Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Casino cash: $13980126 VARSITY	but they are not gladiators.... Bring back gladiators!!!!! __________________ My dear girl, there are some things that just aren’t done. Such as, drinking Dom Perignon ’53 above the temperature of 38 degrees Fahrenheit. That’s just as bad as listening to the Beatles without earmuffs.
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01-27-2013, 11:13 AM	#14
FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $2962906	I think the players are risking minimizing the public's empathy towards player safety issues when they use concussions, post-concussion issues, etc. as a lawsuit ATM to get $$$. Louie Aguiar, former Chiefs punter is Exhibit A of this. He is one of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit suing the NFL for damages relating to concussions. Aguiar barely got touched in his NFL career as a punter... much less received consistent direct hits to the head.
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