Our defensive problems all started when we let Donnie Edwards go?........... discuss. - Page 2

Kylo Ren · 11-24-2004, 08:40 PM

Peterson didn't want to pay him. Was that the beginning of the end?

Kylo Ren · 11-24-2004, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by unlurking

That is one of the dumbest things I have heard on this board.

You gonna start claiming that Grbac was the second coming?

I don't even agree with what I wrote. I'm just bored and trying to stir up some conversation.

**morphius** · 11-24-2004, 10:25 PM

The only thing we lost when he left was a D leader, not a great player, but a leader. He missed too many tackles and had to catch them from behind to make his numbers. Yes he occasionally had a good pick or the like, but he was nowhere near what he thought he was worth, and was so upset that the Chiefs didn't give him the money, and realizing he couldn't get anyone else to pay him what he wanted, had to swallow his pride and signed for a lot less with the bolts.

It was a shame that he wasn't a real on the field leader, but more of a Hicks type.

Pitt Gorilla · 11-24-2004, 10:30 PM

Even Fujita hasn't been playing well; what's going on?!?

2bikemike · 11-24-2004, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Even Fujita hasn't been playing well; what's going on?!?

Like several others have said and Morphius just restated. Lack of Leadership!

PastorMikH · 11-24-2004, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

The beginning of the end started wtih DT's death.

Yep.

**Skip Towne** · 11-24-2004, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

Except for DE only played MLB his first couple years in KC. The he got moved outside.

FWIW, I don't think Kawika has the personality to be a team leader. Neither does Wilkerson. I met them both in March and they seemed timid as cats. Hell, I intimidated them. I'm not kidding or patting myself on the back with that statement, either. It's the truth.

Yeah, I believe it, the time I met you I was left a quivering mass of humanity. I hope I don't have that happen again.

dtebbe · 11-24-2004, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunther_Fan

Peterson didn't want to pay him. Was that the beginning of the end?

I always thought the front office thought we was not good enough against the run. I seem to remember that was thier logic for refusing to match offers on him. The run was not DT"s strengh either, so maybe King Carl thought he could poop a run stuffing LB for less than Edwards was asking. Who knows?

I guess Marty didn't share that opinion....

DT

dtebbe · 11-24-2004, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 2bikemike

Oh yeah I forgot about Marvcus Patton who played the middle from 99 to 02.

Patton was solid. Period. He would be an upgrade over what we have now, even at 40 or however old he is now. At least he could wrap up and tackle, and his lack of speed prevented him from overrunning plays.

DT

2bikemike · 11-24-2004, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dtebbe

Patton was solid. Period. He would be an upgrade over what we have now, even at 40 or however old he is now. At least he could wrap up and tackle, and his lack of speed prevented him from overrunning plays.

DT

Strong as an ox too!

Hammock Parties · 11-25-2004, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dtebbe

Patton was solid. Period. He would be an upgrade over what we have now, even at 40 or however old he is now. At least he could wrap up and tackle, and his lack of speed prevented him from overrunning plays.

DT

The Chiefs run D was ranked 11th, 17th, 27th and 24th while Patton was the middle linebacker.

**alanm** · 11-25-2004, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dtebbe

Patton was solid. Period. He would be an upgrade over what we have now, even at 40 or however old he is now. At least he could wrap up and tackle, and his lack of speed prevented him from overrunning plays.

DT

Patton was a stud against the run. I still can't believe all the guys that railed on him and wanted him gone all the time we had him. Sure he had lost some of his speed from his Buffalo and Washington heydays but even now at 38-39 and being retired from the game 2 yrs he's still better than anyone we have at LB now.

Hammock Parties · 11-25-2004, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by alanm

Patton was a stud against the run. I still can't believe all the guys that railed on him and wanted him gone all the time we had him. Sure he had lost some of his speed from his Buffalo and Washington heydays but even now at 38-39 and being retired from the game 2 yrs he's still better than anyone we have at LB now.

The Chiefs run D was ranked 11th, 17th, 27th and 24th while Patton was the middle linebacker.

royr17 · 11-25-2004, 01:04 AM

I think the loss of Donnie Edwards really hurt, but ask yourself if you could have him back would you want him, and if we got him back where would you start him on the outside or inside ?

And go with a LB core of Barber when not injured or Beisel, Edwards, and Fujita ?

royr17 · 11-25-2004, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by alanm

Patton was a stud against the run. I still can't believe all the guys that railed on him and wanted him gone all the time we had him. Sure he had lost some of his speed from his Buffalo and Washington heydays but even now at 38-39 and being retired from the game 2 yrs he's still better than anyone we have at LB now.

I agree i'd take a 36 year old Patton over Mitchell any day.

Captain Obvious · 11-25-2004, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by UserName

I'm sure they just didn't want to get banned.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but that made me laugh.

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royr17 MVP Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lovin my kids Casino cash: $2028676	I think the loss of Donnie Edwards really hurt, but ask yourself if you could have him back would you want him, and if we got him back where would you start him on the outside or inside ? And go with a LB core of Barber when not injured or Beisel, Edwards, and Fujita ?
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