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**OnTheWarpath15** · 11:10 PM

Sorry, didn't want this getting overlooked in the other thread. Then again, people will probably ignore it anyway - I know some of you will appreciate this.

I keep seeing people say that Dwayne Bowe isn't an elite WR. So I decided to do some research to see how he matches up statistically over his 5 years in the league.

What I found, is that statistically, Bowe is the 10th best WR of the last 5 years.

I found 9 other WR's that either had better yardage totals, better TD numbers or both. He was 10th in yardage, tied for 6th in TD's.

Here's the list. (Yardage/TD's) Bolded players have fewer or same TD's as Bowe.

Larry Fitzgerald - 6480/49

Roddy White - 6422/42

Reggie Wayne - 6234/36

Wes Welker - 6105/31

Calvin Johnson - 5872/49

Andre Johnson - 5703/35

Greg Jennings - 5539/46

Steve Smith - 5353/29

Marques Colston - 5202/40

Dwayne Bowe - 4927/36

Personally, I think that's impressive on its own.

Especially when you consider the only guy on this list who is younger is Megatron. I'd be curious to see how he matches up to the same players during each of their first 5 seasons.

Anyway, when you compare Bowe's number's to the #1 yardage and #1 TD's - he's not nearly as far off as it seems.

It comes down to 19.41 yard a game, and .16 TD's per game.

Factor in that Bowe is missing something the other 9 have - solid QB play.

After looking at this, its hard for me to say Dwayne Bowe is NOT an elite WR, considering how his numbers match up to the "elite" and never having the benefit of decent QB play.

I'm pretty confident in saying that with solid QB play, Bowe would easily make up 19.41 yards and .16 TD's a game.

Like him or not, he's an elite WR - and has shown it over his 5 years in the league.

Dude deserved elite money.

Or, tl;dr - **** him.

Rasputin · 07-17-2012, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Keep reading. Cassel is Pioli's lone wart on an otherwise stellar roster. A shame it came at the hardest position to project success in all of sports.

Um, Haley was a blunder cluster **** if you ask me? So I wouldn't say Cassel was his lone mistake. If so then why did it take Clark Hunt to tell Pioli to fire Haley? That's two of the most important personnel that Pioli brought here, but I agree he has done better at building the team roster.

aturnis · 07-17-2012, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Guaranteed money?

No way.

Thats twice as much as CJ got.

Who's the hell gets 100% guaranteed contracts? Isn't the highest like 55%?

O.city · 07-17-2012, 06:03 PM

I've kinda went to the darkside on this.

We can sit her and say Bowe isn't Megatron, which he may not be. But Bowe doesn't have a guy throwing lasers at him in stride consistently like Megatron.

Bowe can't be fully appreciated for the things he does until we get a legit qb who gives him the chances he deserves.

**DeezNutz** · 07-17-2012, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Other rumors, with less proof behind them, say he was asking for a high amount to be guaranteed, I can't stand behind that though.

He's not getting less than 35 guaranteed. If he does, it's a steal. Should he be at Fitz level (42ish)? Megatron level (50ish)? Probably not. But I don't give a single **** because the cap doesn't mean a thing and I'm not worried about Clark's money.

I want wins, and Bowe is an essential contributor on this team. The fact that fans care about any more than this is strange to me.

Titty Meat · 07-17-2012, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Not at all. Would you pay Bowe 100 million dollars?

I would. Pioli has another year to sign him so I won't get pissed about it yet now say he catches 0 passes in another playoff game well then we can start talking about not signing him for that big of a contract.

O.city · 07-17-2012, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

He's not getting less than 35 guaranteed. If he does, it's a steal. Should he be at Fitz level (42ish)? Megatron level (50ish)? Probably not. But I don't give a single **** because the cap doesn't mean a thing and I'm not worried about Clark's money.

I want wins, and Bowe is an essential contributor on this team. The fact that fans care about any more than this is strange to me.

This. This and this.

All this stay under the cap bullshit. There are ways around this which our "genious" GM should know.

aturnis · 07-17-2012, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Is it not a GMs job to know what's on his roster?

Again, Jamaal had potential. No player is a guarantee to reach their potential, no matter who evaluates them. You can't score without the ball though.

O.city · 07-17-2012, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

I would. Pioli has another year to sign him so I won't get pissed about it yet now say he catches 0 passes in another playoff game well then we can start talking about not signing him for that big of a contract.

I get he didn't catch a ball, but he wasn't even targeted IIRC.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-17-2012, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

What's funny is my argument against Bowe is a carbon copy of your argument against Pioli, and you tore it apart. Difference is you dislike Pioli, not Bowe.

Wrong.

Bowe has produced over his five years, even though he's had no help from the QB.

Pioli hasn't produced.

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Bowe gets to use the SHIT QB as an excuse, but Pioli can't use that or the injury of 3 INCREDIBLY important starters for the entire season.

Bowe has had a shit QB for FIVE YEARS, and still produced.

Pioli lost three players in ONE season, and hasn't produced in any.

The Green Bay Packers lost 16 (IIRC) players to IR the year they won the Super Bowl, several of them starters.

Every team in the league deals with injuries, some better than others. More excuses.

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Yes I realize Pioli traded for Cassel, that is his one and only major mistake as GM. I have believed since the beginning though, that Cassel is a stop gap until we find something better. Doesn't it seem as though Pioli is building up the roster to insert a green QB into a best case scenario? Worked pretty well for Sanchez.

Only major mistake?

Do we need to discuss the hiring and firing of his handpicked coach?

Do we need to discuss the use of the 3rd overall pick on a non-impact position?

Stop gap? A 4 year and counting stop gap?

You cannot be serious.

The lies people tell themselves to justify the lack of production from this team...

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Pioli doesn't get any slack for the 2009 draft, which was scouted by someone else's staff for a completely different system. Even though he's nailed the draft ever since. Building one of the best top to bottom rosters in the league save the QB.

We run the same system as the Patriots, who Pioli just happened to be working for and scouting players for leading up to that offseason.

What kind of GM allows input from another regime's scouts?

Bold #2: Really? Where do you people get this shit? Half of the players on this roster have less than 3 years experience. No one has seen enough of these guys to say with certainty what they are, or aren't. Some of you just assume every one of these guys are going to be All-Pros based on a season, or worse, a half season.

This team has way more questions than answers, if you look at things objectively.

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Originally Posted by aturnis

No slack for the QB, even though he's really had no other options(none better anyway) available to him. Outside of Manning, who doesn't want to play for the guys who used to cheat against him.

Not beating this dead horse again. Other teams have acquired their QB's without having the #1 pick. We've chosen not to acquire a QB for the simple fact that our GM mistakenly believes in the one he traded for.

Not because there wasn't one (or more) available in the draft for the past FOUR years.

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Originally Posted by aturnis

No slack on his record as GM, even though injuries alone cost us more than enough games to get us into the playoffs last year. Or, that his first year here, he took over a 2-14 roster, which was destined to fail his first year as GM.

More excuses.

John Fox took over a 1-15 Carolina Panthers team, and in his second season, played in the Super Bowl.

Mike Smith and Kevin Dimitroff took over a 4-12 team (who hadn't been over .500 since 2004) and have won 43 games in their four years, never having a losing season, and making the playoffs three times.

Brian Billick and Ozzie Newsome took over a horrible Ravens team in 1998, and within two years, won a Super Bowl. They've been one of the teams to beat in the AFC ever since.

I could go on and on, and I'm sure you'll ignore the point and try to tear apart those examples - but saying Pioli was "destined to fail" because he inherited a bad team is 100% horseshit.

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Now, b/c he won't pay your favorite player 100 million dollars, he's a big meanie.

No, he's ignorant. You want elite production at a discount?

Good luck.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-17-2012, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I get he didn't catch a ball, but he wasn't even targeted IIRC.

He wasn't. And as people like me who were at the game will tell you, he was open quite often.

**DeezNutz** · 07-17-2012, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Is it not a GMs job to know what's on his roster?

It was all part of the "evaluation period." No end to the excuses. But Haley made Charles better! No matter that Haley was a raving pile of suck and couldn't find his ass with two hands on game day. I'm confident that he was nails throughout the rest of the week.

When he wasn't checking for bugs in his office, of course. But Pioli is cool.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-17-2012, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Other than the time nobody wanted to give him a fourth rounder for Jamaal Charles.

Thanks. Forgot about that.

aturnis · 07-17-2012, 06:07 PM

The guaranteed amount on Bowe's hypothetical 100 million dollar contract will be right in line with the percentage guaranteed to CJ and Fitz.

**DeezNutz** · 07-17-2012, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

The guaranteed amount on Bowe's hypothetical 100 million dollar contract will be right in line with the percentage guaranteed to CJ and Fitz.

Fine. Why do you care about Clark's money or a make-believe cap?

Hammock Parties · 07-17-2012, 06:08 PM

Don't worry guys, 850 yards from scrimmage last year.

He got this.

07-17-2012, 11:45 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $4931115	How does Dwayne Bowe rank among the elite WR's? Sorry, didn't want this getting overlooked in the other thread. Then again, people will probably ignore it anyway - I know some of you will appreciate this. I keep seeing people say that Dwayne Bowe isn't an elite WR. So I decided to do some research to see how he matches up statistically over his 5 years in the league. What I found, is that statistically, Bowe is the 10th best WR of the last 5 years. I found 9 other WR's that either had better yardage totals, better TD numbers or both. He was 10th in yardage, tied for 6th in TD's. Here's the list. (Yardage/TD's) Bolded players have fewer or same TD's as Bowe. Larry Fitzgerald - 6480/49 Roddy White - 6422/42 Reggie Wayne - 6234/36 Wes Welker - 6105/31 Calvin Johnson - 5872/49 Andre Johnson - 5703/35 Greg Jennings - 5539/46 Steve Smith - 5353/29 Marques Colston - 5202/40 Dwayne Bowe - 4927/36 Personally, I think that's impressive on its own. Especially when you consider the only guy on this list who is younger is Megatron. I'd be curious to see how he matches up to the same players during each of their first 5 seasons. Anyway, when you compare Bowe's number's to the #1 yardage and #1 TD's - he's not nearly as far off as it seems. It comes down to 19.41 yard a game, and .16 TD's per game. Factor in that Bowe is missing something the other 9 have - solid QB play. After looking at this, its hard for me to say Dwayne Bowe is NOT an elite WR, considering how his numbers match up to the "elite" and never having the benefit of decent QB play. I'm pretty confident in saying that with solid QB play, Bowe would easily make up 19.41 yards and .16 TD's a game. Like him or not, he's an elite WR - and has shown it over his 5 years in the league. Dude deserved elite money. Or, tl;dr - **** him. Last edited by OnTheWarpath15; 07-17-2012 at 11:10 PM..
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