News RIP Paul Walker - Page 14

**mikeyis4dcats.** · 12-02-2013, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fairplay

Sounds like they are trying to blame the car for the cause of the crash.

Good luck proving that.

it would be hard, but if there was a large fluid trail and unswerving skid marks that would certainly lend to that theory.

Tombstone RJ · 12-02-2013, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

it would be hard, but if there was a large fluid trail and unswerving skid marks that would certainly lend to that theory.

wreckless driving is wreckless and dead is dead. No way you can blame the auto for stupid driving. Plus, it's a public road, how many other vehicles leak crap out all over the place?

TLO · 12-02-2013, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

wreckless driving is wreckless and dead is dead. No way you can blame the auto for stupid driving. Plus, it's a public road, how many other vehicles leak crap out all over the place?

Yep. I'm curious as to just how fast they were going. I'd wager they were going at least double the 45mph speed limit on a hilly road.

**Tribal Warfare** · 12-02-2013, 04:44 PM

FYI, Dish on Demand has the F&TF series up and posted to rent and watch.

Sure-Oz · 12-02-2013, 05:49 PM

NBC showing a story now on Paul Walker, hearing his dad talk about him was heart wrenching

Sure-Oz · 12-02-2013, 05:51 PM

Police have ruled out a 2nd car and are focusing on speed, donut spins and possibly a blown tire

Dayze · 12-02-2013, 06:05 PM

he was probably rolling with Firestones.

**SAUTO** · 12-02-2013, 07:16 PM

and actually there are quite a few cars that have a pressure switch that cuts down the line pressure at highway speeds.

they get too easy to turn if they don't do it and make the car feel like you have to herd it down the road

Barret · 12-02-2013, 07:45 PM

Instead of power steering fluid, could it have been brake fluid?

I say this due to they state that there were no skid marks up until time of impact. If they are going fast and hit the brakes and there is no fluid then there is no skid mark. You would then resort to the E-brake but that really only helps on the rear wheels. (at least on your average family car)

So the driver is going fast, comes into a corner to hot and tries to brake but no brakes, he has no time to think so the last resort before the crash is to try the emergency brake to slow the vehicle down.

Also in racing it is taught to do "Straight Line Braking". If you are turning the car then the weight is transferred to which ever side is turning. So lets say you are turning left, then the weight of the car is moving right. If you brake, the weight of the car is moving forward. The best example is to get a folding chair and lean it right or left depending on how you are turning. Then lean it forward during the turn to simulate braking and you see how the weight transfers to the front "tires" and how easily it can then have the back end of the car come around. With a Porsche that has a tendency to get squirrely due to where the engine is and other factors, this above example might get exaggerated.

Why I am bringing this up is why there may have not been any steering input by the driver. He may have thought any steering input would have put the car into a much worse type of spin and believed hitting whatever might have been a better choice. This story could have really been about Paul Walker and Driver wrecking a $300,000 sports car and everyone could be all self righteous about the Hollywood rich folk just breaking up a beautiful car. Both Paul and the Driver are in the hospital and here are pictures of the ruined car. They get out in a couple of weeks with some scratches or broken bones or something and everyone forgets about it.

Unfortunately, after the initial impact which may have forced the two unconscious, the car ignites on fire from a source located at the front of the car. Is exotic Brake Fluid flammable? They wouldn't be using regular off the shelf Dot 3 brake fluid in an exotic race car. But the engine and all the hot stuff is in the back...if the brake fluid line bursts up front and spayed onto something hot it wasn't the engine.

So just my .10 cents worth of tinfoil for what happened here.

ModSocks · 12-02-2013, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Barret

Instead of power steering fluid, could it have been brake fluid?

I say this due to they state that there were no skid marks up until time of impact. If they are going fast and hit the brakes and there is no fluid then there is no skid mark. You would then resort to the E-brake but that really only helps on the rear wheels. (at least on your average family car)

So the driver is going fast, comes into a corner to hot and tries to brake but no brakes, he has no time to think so the last resort before the crash is to try the emergency brake to slow the vehicle down.

Also in racing it is taught to do "Straight Line Braking". If you are turning the car then the weight is transferred to which ever side is turning. So lets say you are turning left, then the weight of the car is moving right. If you brake, the weight of the car is moving forward. The best example is to get a folding chair and lean it right or left depending on how you are turning. Then lean it forward during the turn to simulate braking and you see how the weight transfers to the front "tires" and how easily it can then have the back end of the car come around. With a Porsche that has a tendency to get squirrely due to where the engine is and other factors, this above example might get exaggerated.

Why I am bringing this up is why there may have not been any steering input by the driver. He may have thought any steering input would have put the car into a much worse type of spin and believed hitting whatever might have been a better choice. This story could have really been about Paul Walker and Driver wrecking a $300,000 sports car and everyone could be all self righteous about the Hollywood rich folk just breaking up a beautiful car. Both Paul and the Driver are in the hospital and here are pictures of the ruined car. They get out in a couple of weeks with some scratches or broken bones or something and everyone forgets about it.

Unfortunately, after the initial impact which may have forced the two unconscious, the car ignites on fire from a source located at the front of the car. Is exotic Brake Fluid flammable? They wouldn't be using regular off the shelf Dot 3 brake fluid in an exotic race car. But the engine and all the hot stuff is in the back...if the brake fluid line bursts up front and spayed onto something hot it wasn't the engine.

So just my .10 cents worth of tinfoil for what happened here.

There would still be brakes though. They'd simply revert to manual brakes.

**SAUTO** · 12-02-2013, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

There would still be brakes though. They'd simply revert to manual brakes.

not if they lost all the fluid.

but you know as well as I do in those cars thats almost impossible

Tombstone RJ · 12-02-2013, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Barret

Instead of power steering fluid, could it have been brake fluid?

I say this due to they state that there were no skid marks up until time of impact. If they are going fast and hit the brakes and there is no fluid then there is no skid mark. You would then resort to the E-brake but that really only helps on the rear wheels. (at least on your average family car)

So the driver is going fast, comes into a corner to hot and tries to brake but no brakes, he has no time to think so the last resort before the crash is to try the emergency brake to slow the vehicle down.

Also in racing it is taught to do "Straight Line Braking". If you are turning the car then the weight is transferred to which ever side is turning. So lets say you are turning left, then the weight of the car is moving right. If you brake, the weight of the car is moving forward. The best example is to get a folding chair and lean it right or left depending on how you are turning. Then lean it forward during the turn to simulate braking and you see how the weight transfers to the front "tires" and how easily it can then have the back end of the car come around. With a Porsche that has a tendency to get squirrely due to where the engine is and other factors, this above example might get exaggerated.

Why I am bringing this up is why there may have not been any steering input by the driver. He may have thought any steering input would have put the car into a much worse type of spin and believed hitting whatever might have been a better choice. This story could have really been about Paul Walker and Driver wrecking a $300,000 sports car and everyone could be all self righteous about the Hollywood rich folk just breaking up a beautiful car. Both Paul and the Driver are in the hospital and here are pictures of the ruined car. They get out in a couple of weeks with some scratches or broken bones or something and everyone forgets about it.

Unfortunately, after the initial impact which may have forced the two unconscious, the car ignites on fire from a source located at the front of the car. Is exotic Brake Fluid flammable? They wouldn't be using regular off the shelf Dot 3 brake fluid in an exotic race car. But the engine and all the hot stuff is in the back...if the brake fluid line bursts up front and spayed onto something hot it wasn't the engine.

So just my .10 cents worth of tinfoil for what happened here.

this Porsche is a mid engine V10, not a rear engine boxer 6. The rear engine 911 variants do corner a little differently due to the weight in the back but it provides excellent cornering in that IF you hit the accelerator instead of breaking too long, the back tires really, really stick and you sweep through the corner much faster.

ModSocks · 12-02-2013, 07:46 PM

Yeah, the more i read about it and the more i see, the more i lean towards driver error.

One thing i've learned since being around fast cars, you don't **** with supercars. I knew a guy who purchased a Ford GT off some guy who owned it for only a month. The guy was selling it because the car scared the shit out of him.

**SAUTO** · 12-02-2013, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Yeah, the more i read about it and the more i see, the more i lean towards driver error.

One thing i've learned since being around fast cars, you don't **** with supercars. I knew a guy who purchased a Ford GT off some guy who owned it for only a month. The guy was selling it because the car scared the shit out of him.

I remember the bill cosby story Shelby told about the other super snake.

**Anyong Bluth** · 12-03-2013, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

I remember the bill cosby story Shelby told about the other super snake.

Link?

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12-02-2013, 07:45 PM	#9
Barret Still Lurking Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: East Texas Casino cash: $3923790	Instead of power steering fluid, could it have been brake fluid? I say this due to they state that there were no skid marks up until time of impact. If they are going fast and hit the brakes and there is no fluid then there is no skid mark. You would then resort to the E-brake but that really only helps on the rear wheels. (at least on your average family car) So the driver is going fast, comes into a corner to hot and tries to brake but no brakes, he has no time to think so the last resort before the crash is to try the emergency brake to slow the vehicle down. Also in racing it is taught to do "Straight Line Braking". If you are turning the car then the weight is transferred to which ever side is turning. So lets say you are turning left, then the weight of the car is moving right. If you brake, the weight of the car is moving forward. The best example is to get a folding chair and lean it right or left depending on how you are turning. Then lean it forward during the turn to simulate braking and you see how the weight transfers to the front "tires" and how easily it can then have the back end of the car come around. With a Porsche that has a tendency to get squirrely due to where the engine is and other factors, this above example might get exaggerated. Why I am bringing this up is why there may have not been any steering input by the driver. He may have thought any steering input would have put the car into a much worse type of spin and believed hitting whatever might have been a better choice. This story could have really been about Paul Walker and Driver wrecking a $300,000 sports car and everyone could be all self righteous about the Hollywood rich folk just breaking up a beautiful car. Both Paul and the Driver are in the hospital and here are pictures of the ruined car. They get out in a couple of weeks with some scratches or broken bones or something and everyone forgets about it. Unfortunately, after the initial impact which may have forced the two unconscious, the car ignites on fire from a source located at the front of the car. Is exotic Brake Fluid flammable? They wouldn't be using regular off the shelf Dot 3 brake fluid in an exotic race car. But the engine and all the hot stuff is in the back...if the brake fluid line bursts up front and spayed onto something hot it wasn't the engine. So just my .10 cents worth of tinfoil for what happened here.
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12-02-2013, 07:46 PM	#13
ModSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $4114563	Yeah, the more i read about it and the more i see, the more i lean towards driver error. One thing i've learned since being around fast cars, you don't **** with supercars. I knew a guy who purchased a Ford GT off some guy who owned it for only a month. The guy was selling it because the car scared the shit out of him.
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