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**Tribal Warfare** · 06-05-2014, 10:28 PM

How Alex Smith’s next contract could be affected by Colin Kaepernick’s $126 million deal

San Francisco’s Colin Kaepernick went out of his way Wednesday to thank current Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith, the man whose job he usurped two years ago.

“I don’t think I would be at this point so quickly if he hadn’t been such a great mentor to me and helped me along with things,” Kaepernick, 26, said after news broke about his six-year, $126 million contract extension.

But it’s also easy to think Kaepernick may have returned the favor by setting the market for Smith, who is seeking a new deal of his own.

“If I represented Alex Smith,” said former agent Joel Corry, “I’d be telling the Chiefs that my numbers on where the quarterback market is and will be going is correct.”

Kaepernick’s extension is actually worth just $13 million guaranteed but includes roster bonuses that can push that number up. There are also de-escalators, according to media reports, and the contract is constructed in such a way that the 49ers could get out of the deal after a few years with minimal consequence.

Corry said the Chiefs might push for a similar structure, citing Kaepernick as a reference, though he suspects Smith’s agent, Tom Condon, would never go for it.

“If you ask me to take my agent hat off, I don’t think this deal is going to have any real impact on Alex Smith’s negotiation,” Corry said. “It’s two different (situations). The problem is, the Chiefs still aren’t going to want to want to pay him in that Matthew Stafford, Tony Romo, Jay Cutler range. He’s got the same problem Andy Dalton has.”

Like Dalton, Cincinnati’s quarterback, Smith is generally regarded as a second-tier quarterback in the same class as Stafford, Romo and Cutler, who are all making around $18 million per season.

That could prove to be a bit too rich for the Chiefs’ and Bengals’ liking, if that is indeed what Smith and Dalton — who will be free agents after the season — are asking for. Both teams also invested fifth-round draft picks in talented, developmental quarterbacks (Aaron Murray and A.J. McCarron) this year.

“Anything over $15 million a year on the average and $35 million in guarantees, the Chiefs should not want to do,” Corry said. “The problem is there’s nobody (making that) because the middle class (of quarterbacks) is gone. Matt Sanchez got cut. Matt Schaub got cut. You really have no middle class.”

This is one of the reasons the 49ers likely felt compelled to lock up Kaepernick, provided he can play well enough to keep the 49ers from extricating themselves from the deal.

“They don’t have a viable option,” Corry said. “Once they traded (Smith) away, they were all in on Kaepernick. They were like, ‘You’re the guy, it’s your ball and run with it.’ ”

Corry also noted that the 49ers could have waited a year to sign Kaepernick, but that might have cost them.

“They ran the risk of him going out and being Joe Flacco, where they win a Super Bowl and then he’s asking to be the highest-paid player in the league,” Corry said. “That’s just kind of the game you have to play with quarterbacks. If you have one that’s young and has a lot of potential, even if he hasn’t reached it, you’re going to have to overpay him.”

The Chiefs, on the other hand, may be willing to take their chances with Smith. Despite an 11-5 record last season, a tougher schedule and a younger supporting cast may conspire to make it difficult for Smith to duplicate his 2013 numbers, even with a respected offensive mind like Andy Reid calling the plays.

“I would tell him: ‘You want that money? Go out and justify it through your play this year,’ ” Corry said. “I’d gamble with him on that one. If he goes out and lights it up, that’s a nice problem to have because then you could always franchise him.”

Both the Chiefs and Smith have said there have been some discussions about a new contract. But Smith, who will make $7.5 million this season, has said he isn’t thinking about an extension and isn’t worried if he doesn’t get one before training camp starts.

“Smith kind of has a little bit of leverage too because KC gave up two second-round picks for him and you really don’t want to see someone walk after giving up two second-round picks,” Corry said. “But I don’t think Kansas City is going to be persuaded to make a substantial bump in their offer based on Kaepernick’s deal.”

jd1020 · 06-07-2014, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Now, go find new ways to kill your own mother and make it look like an accident to collect insurance money.

Grandmother. You inbred hobo. Learn to read.

Halfcan · 06-07-2014, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

He had better numbers across the board than Kaepernick.

Less talent around him as well.

Shrugs.

Kape doesn't play for the chiefs-I could care less what Kape does or how much he is overpaid. It doesn't change the facts Alex could not manage to throw a TD in 40% of his games last year. He got to sit out a game then had a nice half in the Colts game before choking. He is paid more than he should be this year so should be happy.

Chiefs WAAAAYYYYY over paid on the last QB that was here-and I don't want to see them do it again until Alex wins a ****ing playoff game. His winning % during the season-how he did VS. which QB doesn't matter to me-I want to win a ****ing playoff game period. I have serious doubts Alex can do that.

Halfcan · 06-07-2014, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

You know exactly what you have in Alex Smith.

A hard worker. A true team guy, a leader. A guy who never complains, always shows up, is a lot tougher than people want to get credit for.

His negatives will always be his ultra conservative nature. he would rather let the players around him make the plays and shine, than he himself make them.

Although he showed on several occasions last year, that he indeed could make plays if needed.

the 3rd down at philly on a short week being just one of the plays. but, being totally up against it after losing Jamaal Charles in the playoff game is the shining example.

Blah blah blah- win a ****ing playoff game Alex or move on and get a big fat nest egg somewhere else-so we can get a QB that will get it done.

Chief Roundup · 06-07-2014, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

You are right-it was worse than I stated.

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Titans 0
Raiders 0
Texans 0
Bills 0
Colts 0
Chargers 0

7 games in which Alex did not throw a TD. So 43% of the games Alex started he could not manage to throw a TD to help his team. So actually much higher than a quarter of the season in which I stated. My bad.

If a top QB is worth 20 million a year and Alex is only effective 43% of the time-that puts his number at 8,600,000 per year. Pretty much exactly were he is getting paid for next year. His ave salary is 8,416,667. So Alex is already getting more than what he is worth. His base is 7.5 mil with 500k in incentives. But since he got 9 million up front it pushes it to 8.4 according to Sports Illustrated.

The incentive is to lock him up-fear of the future-that we can't find a QB that is effective at least 57% of the games he starts while being paid 8.4 million to not throw TD's in 7 games including the last two losses to the Colts and Chargers.

Smart money is to let him finish this contract in which he will be slightly overpaid. And then Franchise him-if he does improve or god help us-we actually win a playoff game.

You people like to move goal posts around to fit your statement. You said he had 4 in a row. He did not have 4 games in a row without a touchdown early in the season. He did have 3 in a row early in the season.

Halfcan · 06-07-2014, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

As quoted a few posts ago, Alex said the same thing I did...that they had 0 reps together and Gray himself said he slowed up.

Now, go find new ways to kill your own mother and make it look like an accident to collect insurance money.

Doesn't matter if Alex would have hit him in the numbers instead of lofting a floater. If Alex hits him in the chest and Gray drops it- it would be 100% on him.

Oh sorry I didn't get enough reps with this guy in practice so I missed the biggest pass in the game. Bullshit. He was wide open and most QBs in the NFL would have made that pass instead of excuses.

Halfcan · 06-07-2014, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

You people like to move goal posts around to fit your statement. You said he had 4 in a row. He did not have 4 games in a row without a touchdown early in the season. He did have 3 in a row early in the season.

My bad- it was 3 games in a row but felt like 6. Yes it was a new system, ect, ect, ect. We have heard all the reasons why he was ineffective a lot of the games. So instead of backing up the Brinks truck to his front door and hope for the best- make him play out his deal and make sure he can get it done. It makes no sense to extend a QB that is so up and down until he Proves he can win when it counts.

Chief Roundup · 06-07-2014, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

You are right-it was worse than I stated.

Eagles 0
Titans 0
Raiders 0
Texans 0
Bills 0
Colts 0
Chargers 0

7 games in which Alex did not throw a TD. So 43% of the games Alex started he could not manage to throw a TD to help his team. So actually much higher than a quarter of the season in which I stated. My bad.

If a top QB is worth 20 million a year and Alex is only effective 43% of the time-that puts his number at 8,600,000 per year. Pretty much exactly were he is getting paid for next year. His ave salary is 8,416,667. So Alex is already getting more than what he is worth. His base is 7.5 mil with 500k in incentives. But since he got 9 million up front it pushes it to 8.4 according to Sports Illustrated.

The incentive is to lock him up-fear of the future-that we can't find a QB that is effective at least 57% of the games he starts while being paid 8.4 million to not throw TD's in 7 games including the last two losses to the Colts and Chargers.

Smart money is to let him finish this contract in which he will be slightly overpaid. And then Franchise him-if he does improve or god help us-we actually win a playoff game.

Oh and you threw the Chargers game in that he didn't even start or play in like none of the starters except Fisher IIRC.
But just keep on trying to paint the picture to be as bad and bleak as you think and want it to be.

Chief Roundup · 06-07-2014, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

My bad- it was 3 games in a row but felt like 6. Yes it was a new system, ect, ect, ect. We have heard all the reasons why he was ineffective a lot of the games. So instead of backing up the Brinks truck to his front door and hope for the best- make him play out his deal and make sure he can get it done. It makes no sense to extend a QB that is so up and down until he Proves he can win when it counts.

I have no problem with making him play out his deal. I have said we should do this all along. I have also stated that I don't want to pay him more than 18 and if that is required then let his ass walk.

milkman · 06-07-2014, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

Doesn't matter if Alex would have hit him in the numbers instead of lofting a floater. If Alex hits him in the chest and Gray drops it- it would be 100% on him.

Oh sorry I didn't get enough reps with this guy in practice so I missed the biggest pass in the game. Bullshit. He was wide open and most QBs in the NFL would have made that pass instead of excuses.

We lost that playoff game because of Alex Smith.

RobBlake · 06-07-2014, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

Doesn't matter if Alex would have hit him in the numbers instead of lofting a floater. If Alex hits him in the chest and Gray drops it- it would be 100% on him.

Oh sorry I didn't get enough reps with this guy in practice so I missed the biggest pass in the game. Bullshit. He was wide open and most QBs in the NFL would have made that pass instead of excuses.

lmao, youre honestly putting that n Alex. I swear, it doesn't matter what he does, you'll still bitch. If anyone is to blame besides the defense, that would be for Bowe unable to drag his foot when he had plenty of space to do so.

WHat were the chiefs record before alex and reid go there?

**BigMeatballDave** · 06-07-2014, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

We lost that playoff game because of Alex Smith.

Not sure if serious...

Hammock Parties · 06-07-2014, 04:32 PM

WELL WE SURE DIDN'T WIN IT BECAUSE OF HIM

**Mav** · 06-07-2014, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

Kape doesn't play for the chiefs-I could care less what Kape does or how much he is overpaid. It doesn't change the facts Alex could not manage to throw a TD in 40% of his games last year. He got to sit out a game then had a nice half in the Colts game before choking. He is paid more than he should be this year so should be happy.

Chiefs WAAAAYYYYY over paid on the last QB that was here-and I don't want to see them do it again until Alex wins a ****ing playoff game. His winning % during the season-how he did VS. which QB doesn't matter to me-I want to win a ****ing playoff game period. I have serious doubts Alex can do that.

Um. You had the first pick in the draft. Alex had something to do with the chiefs turn around.

Me mentioning kaep. Simply, alex Smith had better numbers, look at what kaep got paid. That's the market.

**Mav** · 06-07-2014, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

WELL WE SURE DIDN'T WIN IT BECAUSE OF HIM

You lost it because of Kendrick Lewis.

mcaj22 · 06-07-2014, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

You lost it because of Kendrick Lewis.

I cant WAIT for the defense to lose the same exact way this season and Kendrick Lewis is long gone to be able to use the "Kendrick Lewis Excuse" as to why the Chiefs give up touchdowns in 25 seconds.

very soon the Kendrick Lewis excuse will be "Bob Sutton's fault"

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Tribal Warfare The Boom Boom Room Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $832813	Paylor:How Alex Smith’s next contract could be affected by Colin Kaepernick’s How Alex Smith’s next contract could be affected by Colin Kaepernick’s $126 million deal San Francisco’s Colin Kaepernick went out of his way Wednesday to thank current Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith, the man whose job he usurped two years ago. “I don’t think I would be at this point so quickly if he hadn’t been such a great mentor to me and helped me along with things,” Kaepernick, 26, said after news broke about his six-year, $126 million contract extension. But it’s also easy to think Kaepernick may have returned the favor by setting the market for Smith, who is seeking a new deal of his own. “If I represented Alex Smith,” said former agent Joel Corry, “I’d be telling the Chiefs that my numbers on where the quarterback market is and will be going is correct.” Kaepernick’s extension is actually worth just $13 million guaranteed but includes roster bonuses that can push that number up. There are also de-escalators, according to media reports, and the contract is constructed in such a way that the 49ers could get out of the deal after a few years with minimal consequence. Corry said the Chiefs might push for a similar structure, citing Kaepernick as a reference, though he suspects Smith’s agent, Tom Condon, would never go for it. “If you ask me to take my agent hat off, I don’t think this deal is going to have any real impact on Alex Smith’s negotiation,” Corry said. “It’s two different (situations). The problem is, the Chiefs still aren’t going to want to want to pay him in that Matthew Stafford, Tony Romo, Jay Cutler range. He’s got the same problem Andy Dalton has.” Like Dalton, Cincinnati’s quarterback, Smith is generally regarded as a second-tier quarterback in the same class as Stafford, Romo and Cutler, who are all making around $18 million per season. That could prove to be a bit too rich for the Chiefs’ and Bengals’ liking, if that is indeed what Smith and Dalton — who will be free agents after the season — are asking for. Both teams also invested fifth-round draft picks in talented, developmental quarterbacks (Aaron Murray and A.J. McCarron) this year. “Anything over $15 million a year on the average and $35 million in guarantees, the Chiefs should not want to do,” Corry said. “The problem is there’s nobody (making that) because the middle class (of quarterbacks) is gone. Matt Sanchez got cut. Matt Schaub got cut. You really have no middle class.” This is one of the reasons the 49ers likely felt compelled to lock up Kaepernick, provided he can play well enough to keep the 49ers from extricating themselves from the deal. “They don’t have a viable option,” Corry said. “Once they traded (Smith) away, they were all in on Kaepernick. They were like, ‘You’re the guy, it’s your ball and run with it.’ ” Corry also noted that the 49ers could have waited a year to sign Kaepernick, but that might have cost them. “They ran the risk of him going out and being Joe Flacco, where they win a Super Bowl and then he’s asking to be the highest-paid player in the league,” Corry said. “That’s just kind of the game you have to play with quarterbacks. If you have one that’s young and has a lot of potential, even if he hasn’t reached it, you’re going to have to overpay him.” The Chiefs, on the other hand, may be willing to take their chances with Smith. Despite an 11-5 record last season, a tougher schedule and a younger supporting cast may conspire to make it difficult for Smith to duplicate his 2013 numbers, even with a respected offensive mind like Andy Reid calling the plays. “I would tell him: ‘You want that money? Go out and justify it through your play this year,’ ” Corry said. “I’d gamble with him on that one. If he goes out and lights it up, that’s a nice problem to have because then you could always franchise him.” Both the Chiefs and Smith have said there have been some discussions about a new contract. But Smith, who will make $7.5 million this season, has said he isn’t thinking about an extension and isn’t worried if he doesn’t get one before training camp starts. “Smith kind of has a little bit of leverage too because KC gave up two second-round picks for him and you really don’t want to see someone walk after giving up two second-round picks,” Corry said. “But I don’t think Kansas City is going to be persuaded to make a substantial bump in their offer based on Kaepernick’s deal.”
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