Chiefs **** the refs, Brett Veach, Bob, and Andy too - Page 2

dlphg9 · 12-14-2018, 01:25 AM

Brett Veach needs to be gone. The team should have known that Berry wasn't going to be able to play a full game. This should have forced Veach to go out and acquire one of the many D backs that were on the market. I do want to say that Berry played pretty damn well when he was out there, but if he was really on a play count I would have rather had him for the second half.

It's pretty obvious that only 2-3 teams would be able to keep up with our offense in a shootout; Pats, Rams, maybe the Saints. Don't get me wrong our offense is the best in the league, but the odds of those teams defenses stopping our offense are better than the odds of our defense stopping those offenses and obviously that is the case because the Rams and Pats both beat us. If we could have gotten just one difference makes that could have broken up a pass or a safety that is able to keep everyone in front of him then we win both of those games.

Now we've had a lot of close games that shouldn't have been close and we just lost a game to a team that is no where near as good as we are (I will admit that the refs had a lot to do with us losing tonight by extending drives). Andy and Bob do a good job at the beginning of a game with play calling, but then when we have a 2 possession lead they both go conservative and that is exactly what other teams want is to do. We go into prevent on D and allow long time consuming drives that keep our offense on the sideline. Our defense can't get a stop when it matters, because we aren't rushing the QB and the safeties are absolute trash that allow teams to convert 3rd and long and eventually score a td. The game is then a 1 possession game and luckily we have Patrick Mahomes, because he is clutch and has been able to take us down the field to score. It finally came back to bite us though because no matter how good Mahomes is, he cant catch his own passes or block for himself. He also cant make a stop at the end of the game, so he has a chance to drive us down the field for a win.

So here's a tl;dr of the **** yous;

Refs - **** you for bull shit drive extending penalties
- **** you for deciding to swallow your whistle
while watching the WR push off of our DB

Brett Veach - **** you for sitting on your ass when you
could have easily improved the secondary
- **** you for your hand picked ILBs who
seem incapable of filling a hole instead of
making a tackle 5 yards down field
- **** you for how the Eric Berry situation
has been handled

Andy Reid - **** you for being such a conservative
pussy.
- **** you for not getting rid of Bob

Bob. - **** you for not knowing how to make an
adjustment
- **** you for continually doing things that
dont work time and time again
- **** you for not retiring, you know Andy
won't fire you
- **** you for being old

If anyone has anything to add feel free to add it.

T-post Tom · 12-14-2018, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Andy has said Veach was the one that put him square on the radar.

Hence, the reason he's GM and Chris Ballard isn't after Dorsey's cap mismanagement.

There you go. True story.

**bevischief** · 12-14-2018, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Veach has a free pass because of Mahomes, he'll be here as long as Carl or when he wants to retire.

Nope going to let that happen.

JakeF · 12-14-2018, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

Chiefs **** the refs, Brett Veach, Bob, and Andy too

Forgive me if I'm wrong but weren't you yelling at me for being too negative after the Raiders game?

**bevischief** · 12-14-2018, 01:55 AM

Hunt at least great grandpa Sutton needs to go.........

dlphg9 · 12-14-2018, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeF

Forgive me if I'm wrong but weren't you yelling at me for being too negative after the Raiders game?

Probably, but there may be a slight difference between the Raiders game and this one. I just can't seem to remember what it is.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 12-14-2018, 02:02 AM

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**Mav** · 12-14-2018, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeF

Supposedly, although Dorsey is the guy with the QB history.

He did just draft Mayfield who is a stud. I’d have to believe that Dorsey also saw Mahomes as a stud.

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dlphg9 · 12-14-2018, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Andy has said Veach was the one that put him square on the radar.

Hence, the reason he's GM and Chris Ballard isn't after Dorsey's cap mismanagement.

“Brett Veach was responsible for him,” Reid told Cowherd. “John Dorsey kind of put him in that position to look at him. Brett spent a lot of time with this kid and so he hammered me on watching him and watching him and watching him and watching him, and so, I had couple years worth of film that I was able to watch, and I can’t tell you it’s one play but there were a few, these passes where he’d be running right and looking right and then throwing back left but not all the way to that danger zone but in position where you’d just go, ‘Whoa. That’s something.’ He still has a ton of room to grow for us, but those are the things that got me.”

https://www-arrowheadpride-com.cdn.a...atrick-mahomes

Sounds like Dorsey was interested in Mahomes and told Veach to scout. Seems like Mahomes was already on Dorseys radar. It wouldnt take much skill to be directed by your boss to go scout a player. I'm sure if Dorsey came to me and said go down to Texas Tech and watch this Patrick Mahomes kid play and get to know him that i would have told Andy that he should be our guy. Too many people take Reid's word to literally. What would you have expected him to say? "Dorsey was the one who was interested in Mahomes, so he sent Veach to do the scouting, because Dorsey is too busy with a million other things. Veach really was following orders and happened to be the lucky one to get assigned to scout Mahomes and that luck was what got him the GM job"? Reid is always going to prop up his guys and say they were responsible for anything good that happened.

**Tribal Warfare** · 12-14-2018, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

“Brett Veach was responsible for him,” Reid told Cowherd. “John Dorsey kind of put him in that position to look at him. Brett spent a lot of time with this kid and so he hammered me on watching him and watching him and watching him and watching him, and so, I had couple years worth of film that I was able to watch, and I can’t tell you it’s one play but there were a few, these passes where he’d be running right and looking right and then throwing back left but not all the way to that danger zone but in position where you’d just go, ‘Whoa. That’s something.’ He still has a ton of room to grow for us, but those are the things that got me.”

https://www-arrowheadpride-com.cdn.a...atrick-mahomes

Sounds like Dorsey was interested in Mahomes and told Veach to scout. Seems like Mahomes was already on Dorseys radar. It wouldnt take much skill to be directed by your boss to go scout a player. I'm sure if Dorsey came to me and said go down to Texas Tech and watch this Patrick Mahomes kid play and get to know him that i would have told Andy that he should be our guy. Too many people take Reid's word to literally. What would you have expected him to say? "Dorsey was the one who was interested in Mahomes, so he sent Veach to do the scouting, because Dorsey is too busy with a million other things. Veach really was following orders and happened to be the lucky one to get assigned to scout Mahomes and that luck was what got him the GM job"? Reid is always going to prop up his guys and say they were responsible for anything good that happened.

It was also said that Veach was scouting other players at a Texas Tech game, but Mahomes stood out so much that he was compelled to show Andy what he found.

Veach discovered Patrick before he got the notoriety.

As I said that's reason he has the Chiefs job instead of Ballard.

If you remember Ballard was an hot item for any open GM position.

Mahomes > Peters

dlphg9 · 12-14-2018, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

It was also said that Veach was scouting other players at a Texas Tech game, but Mahomes stood out so much that he was compelled to show Andy what he found.

Veach discovered Patrick before he got the notoriety.

As I said that's reason he has the Chiefs job instead of Ballard.

If you remember Ballard was an hot item for any open GM position.

Mahomes > Peters

Ballard was hired by the Colts in January. Dorsey wasn't fired until the end of June. So wtf are you talking about? There is no point even arguing with you, because no matter what the evidence points to and no matter how wrong you are you're going to continue acting like your original point was right.

**bevischief** · 12-14-2018, 03:00 AM

Hunt you just pissed off your fan base.

**Tribal Warfare** · 12-14-2018, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

Ballard was hired by the Colts in January. Dorsey wasn't fired until the end of June. So wtf are you talking about? There is no point even arguing with you, because no matter what the evidence points to and no matter how wrong you are you're going to continue acting like your original point was right.

Yes he was hired before Dorsey was fired. If Dorsey's firing was inevitable, why wouldn't they retain his second in command in Ballard?

The plan was Veach would be GM.

Veach hiring wasn't a spontaneous fallback without forethought. It was already arranged for Brett to fill the job

Yes, I'm correct and you're hating

T-post Tom · 12-14-2018, 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

It was also said that Veach was scouting other players at a Texas Tech game, but Mahomes stood out so much that he was compelled to show Andy what he found.

Veach discovered Patrick before he got the notoriety.

As I said that's reason he has the Chiefs job instead of Ballard.

If you remember Ballard was an hot item for any open GM position.

Mahomes > Peters

This seems right as I remember it.

Ken Bone · 12-14-2018, 03:15 AM

Teams this season trailing by 14 points or more in the final 5 minutes of regulation were 0-88 coming into tonight. Bob Sutton said hold my beer.

It’s time to fly a banner and get rid of that piece of shit. Put me down for a couple hundred on it.

**bevischief** · 12-14-2018, 03:16 AM

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12-14-2018, 01:25 AM
dlphg9 MVP Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $2059653	** the refs, Brett Veach, Bob, and Andy too Brett Veach needs to be gone. The team should have known that Berry wasn't going to be able to play a full game. This should have forced Veach to go out and acquire one of the many D backs that were on the market. I do want to say that Berry played pretty damn well when he was out there, but if he was really on a play count I would have rather had him for the second half. It's pretty obvious that only 2-3 teams would be able to keep up with our offense in a shootout; Pats, Rams, maybe the Saints. Don't get me wrong our offense is the best in the league, but the odds of those teams defenses stopping our offense are better than the odds of our defense stopping those offenses and obviously that is the case because the Rams and Pats both beat us. If we could have gotten just one difference makes that could have broken up a pass or a safety that is able to keep everyone in front of him then we win both of those games. Now we've had a lot of close games that shouldn't have been close and we just lost a game to a team that is no where near as good as we are (I will admit that the refs had a lot to do with us losing tonight by extending drives). Andy and Bob do a good job at the beginning of a game with play calling, but then when we have a 2 possession lead they both go conservative and that is exactly what other teams want is to do. We go into prevent on D and allow long time consuming drives that keep our offense on the sideline. Our defense can't get a stop when it matters, because we aren't rushing the QB and the safeties are absolute trash that allow teams to convert 3rd and long and eventually score a td. The game is then a 1 possession game and luckily we have Patrick Mahomes, because he is clutch and has been able to take us down the field to score. It finally came back to bite us though because no matter how good Mahomes is, he cant catch his own passes or block for himself. He also cant make a stop at the end of the game, so he has a chance to drive us down the field for a win. So here's a tl;dr of the yous; Refs - you for bull shit drive extending penalties - you for deciding to swallow your whistle while watching the WR push off of our DB Brett Veach - you for sitting on your ass when you could have easily improved the secondary - you for your hand picked ILBs who seem incapable of filling a hole instead of making a tackle 5 yards down field - you for how the Eric Berry situation has been handled Andy Reid - you for being such a conservative pussy. - you for not getting rid of Bob Bob. - you for not knowing how to make an adjustment - you for continually doing things that dont work time and time again - you for not retiring, you know Andy won't fire you - ** you for being old If anyone has anything to add feel free to add it.
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