Chiefs What The Niners did with the Picks from the AS trade - Page 3

DTLB58 · 01:14 AM

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Now that we see the final product of what the Niners gave away and received in the Alex Smith trade from 14 months ago, we can judge one thing about San Francisco GM Trent Baalke: He is calculating, he is fast, and he knows how to set up his team for the future.

The result, first, of the 2013 trade of Smith to Kansas City for a pair of second-round draft picks. The two second-round picks, or their tributaries, were traded a total of five times over the past two drafts, and here’s how it shook out after this year’s draft.

Surrendered
QB Alex Smith

Acquired*
DL Tank Carradine (second round, 2013)
LB Corey Lemonier (third round, 2013)
LB Chris Borland (third round, 2014)
RB Carlos Hyde (second round, 2014)
WR Stevie Johnson (acquired for 2015 fourth-rounder)

* Lemonier was acquired in part with a tributary pick stemming from the Smith trade, and Johnson was acquired from Buffalo on Friday for a fourth-round conditional pick in 2015. That’s included here because San Francisco obtained a fourth-round pick in 2015 from Denver for the second-round pick that originally belonged to Kansas City—so the two picks, arguably, will end up canceling each other out.
Now the story. In the span of 22 minutes Friday, Baalke consummated three trades. One: He traded the 56th pick in the second round (the second Kansas City second-rounder) to Denver for the 63rdand 171st this year, and the Broncos’ fourth-round pick next year. Two: Baalke traded the 63rd and 171stpicks just acquired from Denver to Miami for the 57th pick in the draft; Baalke got the player he would have picked at 56, Carlos Hyde, at 57 … while adding the fourth-rounder next year that replaced the pick used to get Stevie Johnson. Three: He traded his own second-round pick, 61st overall, to Jacksonville for the 70th and 150th picks.

Baalke explained that he and COO Paraag Marathe work the phone and line up prospective trades, and it was hectic because there were a couple of other teams calling in that 22-minute span trying to get one or more of the Niners’ picks at 56 and 61. “That span you talked about was a little bit of a grind,” Baalke said late Saturday night. “A lot of action, a lot of things to consider. Paraag’s the best in the business at lining things up, and then we make the decision. After we made the trade with Denver, I thought we might be able to get Carlos at 61, but then we called [Miami] at 57 and figured we could use what we got from Denver in this year’s draft and keep next year’s pick and move up to make sure we got him. And it allowed us basically to get our four back, which we used to trade for Stevie.”

This isn’t a case of San Francisco fleecing Denver. But it is an example of Baalke doing the smart thing, and waiting till a needy team is either on the clock or frothing after a certain player. That was Denver with wide receiver Cody Latimer, who the Broncos project to replace Eric Decker right away. If he works out the way John Elway thinks, surrendering the four next year will be nothing.

Time will tell if Baalke made the haul worth it. The five pieces the Smith deal yielded:

Carradine will get on the field healthy for the first time as a Niner this month. He missed all of last season with an ACL tear. He’ll be the third man in the 3-4 defensive end rotation with the aging Justin Smith and Ray McDonald, and move inside on some four-lineman snaps. He’s being groomed to start in the 3-4 scheme when Smith or McDonald are gone.
Lemonierplayed 284 snaps, mostly subbing for the idle Aldon Smith last year, and will be in the outside-linebacker rotation with Michael Wilhoite and Nick Moody, competing for time.
Borlandis an accomplished college player, and produced an amazing 27 turnovers in his Wisconsin career. But he’s only 5-11 ½, and he could be a first-down player only (against the run). “It’ll be interesting to see if his game translates to the NFL,” said defensive coordinator Vic Fangio. However, with NaVorro Bowman expect to be sidelined until at least November rehabbing a sere knee injury, there’s a spot on the Niners’ D at inside ‘backer waiting to be won, and Borland will get a solid crack at it. “I’ve heard people talk about his size, and his short arms,” said Baalke. “But he’s a guy with instincts. All those short did somehow was rack up over 400 tackles in the Big Ten.”
Hyde should be able to make the move from the Big 10 to the NFL much easier. He’s the heir to Frank Gore, a 230-pound bruiser with enough moves to be an every-down back. That is, if Gore ever slows down.
Johnson is still only 27, but he had a down year last year with the Bills. He’s not the speedster the Niners sought this offseason to help de-pressurize Anquan Boldin and Michael Crabtree, but he should be a good third receiver and an adequate piece to San Francisco’s underachieving receiver group.
I asked Baalke about his feelings on the trade now that the chips are known. “Mixed emotions,’’ he said. “I have so much respect for Alex Smith and his family, and great regard for him as a player. He’s the epitome of a good man and teammate and a good player. I know the Kansas City Chiefs staff, and they are thrilled to have him. We’ll see how it works out for us. It’s still early.”

jd1020 · 05-12-2014, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious

We could have kept the picks and been kicking ass with ..... who again?

I am not saying it was a great trade, it just wasn't a BAD one.

Seeing how Dorsey works we wouldn't have turned them into 5 picks. We'd only have the 2 picks.

And just using this years pick the Chiefs could have got Latimer, Jean-Baptiste, Ealy, Landris... just to name a few that people were pining for on this board.

But other than that. The Chiefs would not have had Alex and they probably still would have had a respectable 8-8 season with just about any ****ing QB giving the schedule and the Chiefs defense to start the year. That means they would have been picking sooner and could have grabbed the QB they were on the verge of selecting in the first round, Manziel.

unlurking · 05-12-2014, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Commodity = something that satisfies wants and needs. The Chiefs fans want to win a SB and the Chiefs organization desperately needs to win a SB. Alex will satisfy none of the above.
...

The Chiefs ownership wanted to sell tickets. Alex satisfied that. Hell, just about ANY new starting QB would likely have satisfied that want.

Deberg_1990 · 05-12-2014, 07:56 AM

Baalke was the guy who whiffed on AJ Jenkins right?

Nope, only the Chiefs make mistakes....

**Bowser** · 05-12-2014, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Baalke was the guy who whiffed on AJ Jenkins right?

Nope, only the Chiefs make mistakes....

And then took Jon Baldwin to replace him?

Garcia Bronco · 05-12-2014, 07:59 AM

The Donks got your pick and we draft someone to kill you with.

jd1020 · 05-12-2014, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

And then took Jon Baldwin to replace him?

Works both ways.

If you looked at the monetary value of the deal then the 49ers got the better half.

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-12-2014, 08:00 AM

We all know the window ends with jughead the rest is irrelevant

**Bowser** · 05-12-2014, 08:05 AM

I wasn't a fan of what we gave up for Alex. It was too much, but you knew we were going to have to pay for a QB if we weren't going to draft our own (it is what we do, you know). I wasn't particularly a fan of Alex the first eight games or so. He'd make an occasional play and not **** up the game - pretty much his M.O. You don't hamstring your future drafts for a Damon Huard that doesn't throw interceptions.

But after the bye, Alex looked like an entirely different guy. Had he played like that the entire season, NOBODY would have complained (much) about the price it took to get him. Now, assuming that Alex remains at the same level he ended the season at in Indianapolis, would you rather have him or one of the guys that the Niners drafted, or anyone that was on the board at the time we would have drafted in that second round?

**Bowser** · 05-12-2014, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Works both ways.

If you looked at the monetary value of the deal then the 49ers got the better half.

Because of where they were drafted in respect to one another? Even so, how much did the 9ers save by us swapping WRs?

**notorious** · 05-12-2014, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Because of where they were drafted in respect to one another? Even so, how much did the 9ers save by us swapping WRs?

It's just Clark's money, in which I give zero ****s.

**notorious** · 05-12-2014, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Corey Lemonade

**Bowser** · 05-12-2014, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious

It's just Clark's money, in which I give zero ****s.

Pretty much. I'm thinking both of those guys on their rookie deals taken later in the first round aren't exactly cap busters anyway.

OldSchool · 05-12-2014, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

The Donks got your pick and we draft someone to kill you with.

Unless you Donkeys are planning to cut Welker, Latimer is going to do jack shit his rookie season with Thomas, Welker, and Sanders ahead of him on the depth chart and his rawness in route running. Manning is not going to take Julius Thomas and his pass blocking RB off the field in favor of a raw rookie WR.

jd1020 · 05-12-2014, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser

Because of where they were drafted in respect to one another? Even so, how much did the 9ers save by us swapping WRs?

The 49ers already restructed Baldwin, but at the time I looked at their contracts and Baldwin had less guaranteed money left on his contract. As it is right now they'll save about $1m and 1 year of a roster spot.

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-12-2014, 08:25 AM

So, we are in agreement then that they did in fact not get a "haul"

05-12-2014, 01:08 AM
DTLB58 DT CARD COLLECTOR Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: ManCave Casino cash: $10005837	What The Niners did with the Picks from the AS trade From MMQB http://mmqb.si.com/2014/05/12/the-20...with-a-kiss/3/ Now that we see the final product of what the Niners gave away and received in the Alex Smith trade from 14 months ago, we can judge one thing about San Francisco GM Trent Baalke: He is calculating, he is fast, and he knows how to set up his team for the future. The result, first, of the 2013 trade of Smith to Kansas City for a pair of second-round draft picks. The two second-round picks, or their tributaries, were traded a total of five times over the past two drafts, and here’s how it shook out after this year’s draft. Surrendered QB Alex Smith Acquired* DL Tank Carradine (second round, 2013) LB Corey Lemonier (third round, 2013) LB Chris Borland (third round, 2014) RB Carlos Hyde (second round, 2014) WR Stevie Johnson (acquired for 2015 fourth-rounder) * Lemonier was acquired in part with a tributary pick stemming from the Smith trade, and Johnson was acquired from Buffalo on Friday for a fourth-round conditional pick in 2015. That’s included here because San Francisco obtained a fourth-round pick in 2015 from Denver for the second-round pick that originally belonged to Kansas City—so the two picks, arguably, will end up canceling each other out. Now the story. In the span of 22 minutes Friday, Baalke consummated three trades. One: He traded the 56th pick in the second round (the second Kansas City second-rounder) to Denver for the 63rdand 171st this year, and the Broncos’ fourth-round pick next year. Two: Baalke traded the 63rd and 171stpicks just acquired from Denver to Miami for the 57th pick in the draft; Baalke got the player he would have picked at 56, Carlos Hyde, at 57 … while adding the fourth-rounder next year that replaced the pick used to get Stevie Johnson. Three: He traded his own second-round pick, 61st overall, to Jacksonville for the 70th and 150th picks. Baalke explained that he and COO Paraag Marathe work the phone and line up prospective trades, and it was hectic because there were a couple of other teams calling in that 22-minute span trying to get one or more of the Niners’ picks at 56 and 61. “That span you talked about was a little bit of a grind,” Baalke said late Saturday night. “A lot of action, a lot of things to consider. Paraag’s the best in the business at lining things up, and then we make the decision. After we made the trade with Denver, I thought we might be able to get Carlos at 61, but then we called [Miami] at 57 and figured we could use what we got from Denver in this year’s draft and keep next year’s pick and move up to make sure we got him. And it allowed us basically to get our four back, which we used to trade for Stevie.” This isn’t a case of San Francisco fleecing Denver. But it is an example of Baalke doing the smart thing, and waiting till a needy team is either on the clock or frothing after a certain player. That was Denver with wide receiver Cody Latimer, who the Broncos project to replace Eric Decker right away. If he works out the way John Elway thinks, surrendering the four next year will be nothing. Time will tell if Baalke made the haul worth it. The five pieces the Smith deal yielded: Carradine will get on the field healthy for the first time as a Niner this month. He missed all of last season with an ACL tear. He’ll be the third man in the 3-4 defensive end rotation with the aging Justin Smith and Ray McDonald, and move inside on some four-lineman snaps. He’s being groomed to start in the 3-4 scheme when Smith or McDonald are gone. Lemonierplayed 284 snaps, mostly subbing for the idle Aldon Smith last year, and will be in the outside-linebacker rotation with Michael Wilhoite and Nick Moody, competing for time. Borlandis an accomplished college player, and produced an amazing 27 turnovers in his Wisconsin career. But he’s only 5-11 ½, and he could be a first-down player only (against the run). “It’ll be interesting to see if his game translates to the NFL,” said defensive coordinator Vic Fangio. However, with NaVorro Bowman expect to be sidelined until at least November rehabbing a sere knee injury, there’s a spot on the Niners’ D at inside ‘backer waiting to be won, and Borland will get a solid crack at it. “I’ve heard people talk about his size, and his short arms,” said Baalke. “But he’s a guy with instincts. All those short did somehow was rack up over 400 tackles in the Big Ten.” Hyde should be able to make the move from the Big 10 to the NFL much easier. He’s the heir to Frank Gore, a 230-pound bruiser with enough moves to be an every-down back. That is, if Gore ever slows down. Johnson is still only 27, but he had a down year last year with the Bills. He’s not the speedster the Niners sought this offseason to help de-pressurize Anquan Boldin and Michael Crabtree, but he should be a good third receiver and an adequate piece to San Francisco’s underachieving receiver group. I asked Baalke about his feelings on the trade now that the chips are known. “Mixed emotions,’’ he said. “I have so much respect for Alex Smith and his family, and great regard for him as a player. He’s the epitome of a good man and teammate and a good player. I know the Kansas City Chiefs staff, and they are thrilled to have him. We’ll see how it works out for us. It’s still early.” Last edited by DTLB58; 05-12-2014 at 01:14 AM.. Reason: Added text
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Bowser sorta mod-ish Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KC North Casino cash: $3461616	I wasn't a fan of what we gave up for Alex. It was too much, but you knew we were going to have to pay for a QB if we weren't going to draft our own (it is what we do, you know). I wasn't particularly a fan of Alex the first eight games or so. He'd make an occasional play and not **** up the game - pretty much his M.O. You don't hamstring your future drafts for a Damon Huard that doesn't throw interceptions. But after the bye, Alex looked like an entirely different guy. Had he played like that the entire season, NOBODY would have complained (much) about the price it took to get him. Now, assuming that Alex remains at the same level he ended the season at in Indianapolis, would you rather have him or one of the guys that the Niners drafted, or anyone that was on the board at the time we would have drafted in that second round?
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