Football Carl Peterson Part Deux - Page 5

**notorious** · 02-28-2009, 02:57 PM

This all seems very familiar. Carl liked to trade picks for veterans that got everyone excited. The only difference is that it looks like Pioli spent a little less in terms of draft picks to get them.

With that said I am not a fan of Cassel.

What does everyone else think?

Dr. Johnny Fever · 03-09-2009, 08:19 AM

Peterson lied people died. Pioli lied and people were only horribly disfigured.

**BigMeatballDave** · 03-09-2009, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo

Isn't it funny that one of Carl's first moves was to trade for the top NFL back-up QB. For those of you too you to remember his name was Steve Pelluer, and he played for the Cowboys. The media and the fans were so excited that the Chiefs had a franchise QB to build around. The song remains the same.

Wow. You're ****ing reeruned.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-09-2009, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Lex Luthor

Pelluer is a lot more like Thigpen than Cassel.

Actually, Thigpen RIGHT NOW, would be considered by most teams to be a better option than Pelluer was back then. I broke it down further for Whitlock, I mean 'mojo', but please don't disrespect Thigpen by comparing him to Pelluer.

Brock · 03-09-2009, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo

Isn't it funny that one of Carl's first moves was to trade for the top NFL back-up QB. For those of you too you to remember his name was Steve Pelluer, and he played for the Cowboys. The media and the fans were so excited that the Chiefs had a franchise QB to build around. The song remains the same.

That's pretty stupid. Nobody cared about Pelluer in KC.

**BigMeatballDave** · 03-09-2009, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious

NE's coaches are light-years ahead of us in terms of handling QB's.

You don't know this. We'll have a new QB coach this season.

burt · 03-09-2009, 08:36 AM

Come on guys, it's NOT like Pioli watched the guy in practice for over a year or watched him play a full season leading NE, or anything....... It's just an uncertain gamble by the new GM.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-09-2009, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by T.B.A.

Come on guys, it's NOT like Pioli watched the guy in practice for over a year or watched him play a full season leading NE, or anything....... It's just an uncertain gamble by the new GM.

I have no problem with those that think that this is a gamble.... or even those that think that this will fail. But, to compare him to Steve freaking Pelluer?

Give me a break.

burt · 03-09-2009, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I have no problem with those that think that this is a gamble.... or even those that think that this will fail. But, to compare him to Steve freaking Pelluer?

Give me a break.

My point is, Pioli is VERY familiar with Cassel. If he were trading for a perceived "great Quaterback" that he wasn't SO familier with, it's be agamble. Very little gamble here, and I don't expect failure. Oh, and I still like Thigpen.

**notorious** · 03-09-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

You don't know this. We'll have a new QB coach this season.

I do not know this. I will trust history and percentages rather than some-what blind faith, though.

bowener · 03-09-2009, 01:12 PM

I think the Pioli/Peterson argument is one of bad analogy, at least where these 2 veterans acquired via trade are concerned. In the case of Pioli, he traded for 2 guys that he is extremely familiar with. These players spent their entire (or almost entire) careers under him. He knows all their physical and personal secrets, as well as any chinks in their armor. He has evaluated them for years, not months, not weeks, not on a hunch or word of mouth. Pioli's desire for them does not stem from glitz of monday night cameras, or spotlights (gone dark in the case of the majority of Petersons trades).

Peterson seemed to have a penchant for getting ****ed in trades. He thought he was the one with the 14" strap on when he walked to the trading table, but in reality he was beeing dooped almost every time. He was a schmuck for the most part. A used car salesman on the NFL, passing off aged lemons to the fans as sure-fire winners that would get us over the hump; when in reality, all he was really trying to do was fill his quota of seats for the season. He would trade for 'fan' favorites, or worse, personal favorites of his own, or his coaches. The players aquired rarely came from any first hand experience or coaching from him or his staff, most fit the mold of the "up and comer" a few years after they up and came.

All of this does not mean that Pioli is any better than Peterson, but Pioli at least realized the staff needed to be shit canned with very little hesitation. Peterson never had the balls to do what he should for the team, and that seems to stem from his desire to appease his owner/handler, and not the fans or the franchise itself. He wanted his used car lot to look and feel nice, but he wanted that at bargain basement prices, even if that meant passing off piles of shit as servicable (and then deflecting the blame).

**notorious** · 03-09-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener

I think the Pioli/Peterson argument is one of bad analogy, at least where these 2 veterans acquired via trade are concerned. In the case of Pioli, he traded for 2 guys that he is extremely familiar with. These players spent their entire (or almost entire) careers under him. He knows all their physical and personal secrets, as well as any chinks in their armor. He has evaluated them for years, not months, not weeks, not on a hunch or word of mouth. Pioli's desire for them does not stem from glitz of monday night cameras, or spotlights (gone dark in the case of the majority of Petersons trades).

Peterson seemed to have a penchant for getting ****ed in trades. He thought he was the one with the 14" strap on when he walked to the trading table, but in reality he was beeing dooped almost every time. He was a schmuck for the most part. A used car salesman on the NFL, passing off aged lemons to the fans as sure-fire winners that would get us over the hump; when in reality, all he was really trying to do was fill his quota of seats for the season. He would trade for 'fan' favorites, or worse, personal favorites of his own, or his coaches. The players aquired rarely came from any first hand experience or coaching from him or his staff, most fit the mold of the "up and comer" a few years after they up and came.

All of this does not mean that Pioli is any better than Peterson, but Pioli at least realized the staff needed to be shit canned with very little hesitation. Peterson never had the balls to do what he should for the team, and that seems to stem from his desire to appease his owner/handler, and not the fans or the franchise itself. He wanted his used car lot to look and feel nice, but he wanted that at bargain basement prices, even if that meant passing off piles of shit as servicable (and then deflecting the blame).

That was very well put. Thanks for your well thought-out reasoning.

bowener · 03-09-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

That was very well put. Thanks for your well thought-out reasoning.

Quiet, you! Lest you get me in trouble with the rest of the planet.

burt · 03-09-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener

Quiet, you! Lest you get me in trouble with the rest of the planet.

Ban him.....I really wish it didn't have to be this way.

**BigMeatballDave** · 03-09-2009, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

I do not know this. I will trust history and percentages rather than some-what blind faith, though.

You know Carl is gone, right?

R&GHomer · 03-09-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener

I think the Pioli/Peterson argument is one of bad analogy, at least where these 2 veterans acquired via trade are concerned. In the case of Pioli, he traded for 2 guys that he is extremely familiar with. These players spent their entire (or almost entire) careers under him. He knows all their physical and personal secrets, as well as any chinks in their armor. He has evaluated them for years, not months, not weeks, not on a hunch or word of mouth. Pioli's desire for them does not stem from glitz of monday night cameras, or spotlights (gone dark in the case of the majority of Petersons trades).

Peterson seemed to have a penchant for getting ****ed in trades. He thought he was the one with the 14" strap on when he walked to the trading table, but in reality he was beeing dooped almost every time. He was a schmuck for the most part. A used car salesman on the NFL, passing off aged lemons to the fans as sure-fire winners that would get us over the hump; when in reality, all he was really trying to do was fill his quota of seats for the season. He would trade for 'fan' favorites, or worse, personal favorites of his own, or his coaches. The players aquired rarely came from any first hand experience or coaching from him or his staff, most fit the mold of the "up and comer" a few years after they up and came.

All of this does not mean that Pioli is any better than Peterson, but Pioli at least realized the staff needed to be shit canned with very little hesitation. Peterson never had the balls to do what he should for the team, and that seems to stem from his desire to appease his owner/handler, and not the fans or the franchise itself. He wanted his used car lot to look and feel nice, but he wanted that at bargain basement prices, even if that meant passing off piles of shit as servicable (and then deflecting the blame).

Spot on! Rep

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bowener BAMF! Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $9549897	I think the Pioli/Peterson argument is one of bad analogy, at least where these 2 veterans acquired via trade are concerned. In the case of Pioli, he traded for 2 guys that he is extremely familiar with. These players spent their entire (or almost entire) careers under him. He knows all their physical and personal secrets, as well as any chinks in their armor. He has evaluated them for years, not months, not weeks, not on a hunch or word of mouth. Pioli's desire for them does not stem from glitz of monday night cameras, or spotlights (gone dark in the case of the majority of Petersons trades). Peterson seemed to have a penchant for getting ***ed in trades. He thought he was the one with the 14" strap on when he walked to the trading table, but in reality he was beeing dooped almost every time. He was a schmuck for the most part. A used car salesman on the NFL, passing off aged lemons to the fans as sure-fire winners that would get us over the hump; when in reality, all he was really trying to do was fill his quota of seats for the season. He would trade for 'fan' favorites, or worse, personal favorites of his own, or his coaches. The players aquired rarely came from any first hand experience or coaching from him or his staff, most fit the mold of the "up and comer" a few years after they up and came. All of this does not mean that Pioli is any better than Peterson, but Pioli at least realized the staff needed to be shit canned with very little hesitation. Peterson never had the balls to do what he should for the team, and that seems to stem from his desire to appease his owner/handler, and not the fans or the franchise itself. He wanted his used car lot to look and feel nice, but he wanted that at bargain basement prices, even if that meant passing off piles of shit as servicable (and then deflecting the blame). __________________ Main Entry: bowe·ner Pronunciation: \ˈbō-nər\ Function: noun* Date: circa 2007
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