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Old 02-14-2015, 06:42 PM  
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Help me build a new rig
Open to advice as it's been a decade-plus since I built my own desktop.

Here's my needs:
  • Primary use is photo editing in Lightroom, no gaming. So I'm thinking decent on board graphics will suffice?
  • I have a 4K Samsung 28-inch monitor, so nothing needed there.
  • Would like smallish, but that's not a necessity if it's more cost efficient to go with a standard mini tower or something.
  • No DVD ROM needed.
  • Decently hot, semi bare bones system.
  • Would like SSD for system, and at least 1TB for storage.

And go.
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Old 05-23-2015, 08:25 AM   #31
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Wait what? $1500ish for a dual core PC? What is this nonsense? If there is anything to be said about an Apple product, its not "decently priced."
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Old 05-23-2015, 08:30 AM   #32
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Wait what? $1500ish for a dual core PC? What is this nonsense? If there is anything to be said about an Apple product, its not "decently priced."

The one I mentioned was 1300.

But I should have said decently priced compared to their other lines.

My limited experience with Apple machines has been pretty positive - they're generally quick, maintenance is pretty low, and they use memory leaps and bounds better than PCs.

But my experience is limited to PowerMacs and iMacs in early 2000s.
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Old 05-23-2015, 08:41 AM   #33
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and they use memory leaps and bounds better than PCs.
The Mac you linked is using DDR3, specifically LPDDR3 (Low Power) that was designed for mobile devices like tablets. Maybe I don't know as much about 1600MHz DDR3 but I'm fairly certain that PCs have been using this memory for a long time.
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Old 05-23-2015, 08:44 AM   #34
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The Mac you linked is using DDR3, specifically LPDDR3 (Low Power) that was designed for mobile devices like tablets. Maybe I don't know as much about 1600MHz DDR3 but I'm fairly certain that PCs have been using this memory for a long time.

I just mean that my experience (which is 10-15 years old) is that Macs need less memory to do more - they use it more efficiently.
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Maybe. I have no idea. I personally wouldn't touch a Mac if I woke up to a free one on my porch. I'd leave it out there and wait for someone to "steal" it.
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Old 05-23-2015, 08:51 AM   #36
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I just mean that my experience (which is 10-15 years old) is that Macs need less memory to do more - they use it more efficiently.
Not correct.

How memory is used is dependent on the processor and how it works.

Your buying something you could build for 400 bucks for 1300, and you get shitty OS with little aftermarket support because of proprietary 'tech'.

Take the idea of getting a mac, and flush it down the toilet, along with the marketing material that makes you think this could be a correct course of action.
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Maybe. I have no idea. I personally wouldn't touch a Mac if I woke up to a free one on my porch. I'd leave it out there and wait for someone to "steal" it.
When I built a similar PC unit from parts picker with OS, 16GB of RAM, an i5 dual core at 2.8GHz, and SSD as a system drive with the needed accessories, I was around $1000. So $1300 for a similar Mac is reasonable for Apple and having someone else build it for you. You're paying for name and convenience.

Just my 2 cents, but I really don't know much about current Macs and specifically Mac Mini. It sounds like you have an unreasonable bias against Apple.
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Not correct.
Maybe it's not true now, but it sure seemed that way when I was using Macs.
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When I built a similar PC unit from parts picker with OS, 16GB of RAM, an i5 dual core at 2.8GHz, and SSD as a system drive with the needed accessories, I was around $1000. So $1300 for a similar Mac is reasonable for Apple and having someone else build it for you. You're paying for name and convenience.

Just my 2 cents, but I really don't know much about current Macs and specifically Mac Mini. It sounds like you have an unreasonable bias against Apple.
You are also paying for the inconvenience of a proprietary system. There's a reason why not everything is Mac compatible and Windows is like 90% of the market.
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You are also paying for the inconvenience of a proprietary system. There's a reason why not everything is Mac compatible and Windows is like 90% of the market.

Definitely truth there. Not much of a concern for me as my software and hardware needs are supported.
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Open to advice as it's been a decade-plus since I built my own desktop.

Here's my needs:
  • Primary use is photo editing in Lightroom, no gaming. So I'm thinking decent on board graphics will suffice?

And go.
You use Lightroom, eh? Pretty cool! Find a way to get built-in color management. I don't know how to do that so you'll have to research it. PCs just don't have that. Or just buy a Mac and get it over with. It's built-in.
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You use Lightroom, eh? Pretty cool! Find a way to get built-in color management. I don't know how to do that so you'll have to research it. PCs just don't have that. Or just buy a Mac and get it over with. It's built-in.
I use a monitor calibrator to ensure what I'm seeing is what I'll get in a print.
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Maybe it's not true now, but it sure seemed that way when I was using Macs.

Like I said, how memory is used, what speed it runs at, have everything to do with the instruction setup on whatever CPU you are using. Always been that way.

If you want to feed into propaganda and pay more for a mac be my guest, but take my professional opinion. Its not a bias against macs for being macs, its a bias against macs because they don't stack up. You pay more for inconvenience and less performance.
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When I built a similar PC unit from parts picker with OS, 16GB of RAM, an i5 dual core at 2.8GHz, and SSD as a system drive with the needed accessories, I was around $1000. So $1300 for a similar Mac is reasonable for Apple and having someone else build it for you. You're paying for name and convenience.

Just my 2 cents, but I really don't know much about current Macs and specifically Mac Mini. It sounds like you have an unreasonable bias against Apple.
I can tell you anything you need to know about the Mac mini. I think they're great little machines. Don't let the haters convince you otherwise.
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I can tell you anything you need to know about the Mac mini. I think they're great little machines. Don't let the haters convince you otherwise.
Do you do anything with Adobe CC, specifically PS or LR?
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