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Old 02-28-2008, 11:10 PM  
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The whole thing really reads like speculation, but here's hoping it's informed speculation.

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Faine, Brown could be on Chiefs’ list

By ADAM TEICHER

The Kansas City Star

The Chiefs have so many items on their offseason to-do list that it could be difficult for them to figure out where to begin.

Fixing their dilapidated offensive line and finding a reliable kicker might be the best places for them to start.

That’s just what the Chiefs might do now that the free-agent market has opened. New Orleans center Jeff Faine and Seattle kicker Josh Brown could be their initial free-agent visitors, perhaps as soon as today.

Faine and Brown are the types of player the Chiefs hope to build around. Each is young, Faine is 26 and Brown 28 and at least in theory have yet to play their best football.

Faine was a starter in the first five seasons of his career, the first three with Cleveland and the last two with the Saints. He was picked by the Browns in the first round of the 2003 draft.

He would replace Casey Wiegmann, the starting center for the last seven seasons. Wiegmann is an unrestricted free agent, and the Chiefs won’t try to re-sign him. Even if the Chiefs sign Faine, they would still have starting positions to fill at right guard and one of the tackle spots.

The Chiefs recently released right guard John Welbourn. They will draft at least one tackle and could move left tackle Damion McIntosh to right guard or right tackle.

Brown, a former Nebraska kicker, made 80 percent of his field-goal attempts over his five NFL seasons, all with the Seahawks. He made 28 of 34, or 82.4 percent, last season.

The Chiefs went through three kickers last season and were near the bottom of the league in field-goal percentage at 70.3. They tried rookie Justin Medlock and Dave Rayner and finally settled on John Carney near season’s end.

Carney made all three of his field-goal attempts but will be 44 in April. He is also an unrestricted free agent.

The Chiefs in January signed kickers Billy Cundiff and Nick Novak. Both have NFL experience.

The Chiefs wouldn’t necessarily be finished in free-agency even if they sign Faine and Brown. But they might choose to wait to fill their other considerable holes until the draft. The Chiefs have 10 picks, including extras in the fifth, sixth and seventh rounds acquired in trades last year.

The Chiefs will be looking for additional offensive linemen as well as cornerbacks and wide receivers. Patrick Surtain, who will be 32 in June, is their only experienced cornerback.

They’ve told last year’s other starter, Ty Law, that he will soon be released. Benny Sapp played a considerable amount in recent seasons but is a free agent, and the Chiefs have made no effort to re-sign him.

Their other cornerbacks — Tyron Brackenridge, Dimitri Patterson, Rashad Barksdale and Chad Johnson — are young and largely untested.

At wide receiver, the Chiefs this week released longtime starter Eddie Kennison. That leaves them with Dwayne Bowe, Jeff Webb and two young players, Bobby Sippio and Maurice Price.

Samie Parker, a former starter, and Eddie Drummond are unrestricted free agents, and the Chiefs have made no attempt to re-sign them.

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Old 02-29-2008, 12:00 AM   #31
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No offense, but I don't think that Samuels is "Elite". He certainly wouldn't be an "elite" player with the likes of Nap Harris and an aging Donnie Edwards, let alone our middle d-line troubles.

Additionally, I think that Samuels will get his money and disappear. The guy isn't a young Deion Sanders.

He's more like an Antoine Winfield.

Someone will overpay and thankfully (finally!), it won't be the Chiefs.
Samuels isn't elite? What games are you watching? He's an incredible cover corner. He's also only 27 years old. I don't think he'll make as much as some said he will make. I can see $7-8 mil per year toward the back end, but not $10 mil per year, at the beginning of the contract. It's all in the signing bonus and you can lower a player's cap number per year. It's all in what a team is willing to give UPFRONT. I'd give Samuel $20 million in guaranteed money, EASILY. Give him a 7 year contract and that is only a cap number of less than $3 mil per year in pro-rated bonus money, add a lower salary number and he'll be alot less than what some think.
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Old 02-29-2008, 12:01 AM   #32
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I'd be in bed right now as well.

I'd sit out the first two weeks of free agency. Easy.

It's the overpriced shopping time.

Of course, everyone here agrees 'cause we all want to go young, right?...
Miami sure didn't overpay for Smiley......
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Old 02-29-2008, 12:02 AM   #33
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Steal for the Saints.

Glad we're bringing guys in for "visits."

Gives other teams time to make them offers before they get to KC.

Carl's probably in bed right now.


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Old 02-29-2008, 12:02 AM   #34
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Samuels isn't elite? What games are you watching? He's an incredible cover corner. He's also only 27 years old. I don't think he'll make as much as some said he will make. I can see $7-8 mil per year toward the back end, but not $10 mil per year, at the beginning of the contract. It's all in the signing bonus and you can lower a player's cap number per year. It's all in what a team is willing to give UPFRONT. I'd give Samuel $20 million in guaranteed money, EASILY. Give him a 7 year contract and that is only a cap number of less than $3 mil per year in pro-rated bonus money, add a lower salary number and he'll be alot less than what some think.
Sorry Bro, I'm just not seeing it.

The schemes are incredible, as is his front seven.

If Samuels continues at a high level if he changes teams, I'll gladly eat my words.

Somehow, I don't think that will be necessary.
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Old 02-29-2008, 12:03 AM   #35
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Samuels isn't elite? What games are you watching? He's an incredible cover corner. He's also only 27 years old. I don't think he'll make as much as some said he will make. I can see $7-8 mil per year toward the back end, but not $10 mil per year, at the beginning of the contract. It's all in the signing bonus and you can lower a player's cap number per year. It's all in what a team is willing to give UPFRONT. I'd give Samuel $20 million in guaranteed money, EASILY. Give him a 7 year contract and that is only a cap number of less than $3 mil per year in pro-rated bonus money, add a lower salary number and he'll be alot less than what some think.

The Nate Clements deal will be a STARTING POINT.

$22M guaranteed and $10M per for 6-8 years.

Samuels is "elite" because he's surrounded by elite players.

Put him on a team like KC that would expect him to be the savior, and he'll flop miserably......just like Clements did.
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He has his minions for that
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Old 02-29-2008, 12:03 AM   #37
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And the sham continues...
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...4&postcount=32

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...5&postcount=35

Those 2 posts pretty much lay it out so that's better than me reposting it.
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Old 02-29-2008, 12:05 AM   #38
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And they'll be no closer to the Super Bowl for it. And they were a playoff team last year.

Ask the 49ers how those huge contracts to Clements, Banta-Cain and Lewis.
Clements is isn't even close to Samuel's league. Asante Samuel is probably the best CB in the game currently.
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Clements is isn't even close to Samuel's league. Asante Samuel is probably the best CB in the game currently.


Not a chance.
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Old 02-29-2008, 12:06 AM   #40
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Clements is isn't even close to Samuel's league. Asante Samuel is probably the best CB in the game currently.
That's nuts.......Samuel benefits from playing with the front 7 he does, he's a product of his team..

Clements did his thing on a bad team for the most part...someone is gonna overpay for Samuel and realize he isn't as good as he looked in NE.
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Sorry Bro, I'm just not seeing it.

The schemes are incredible, as is his front seven.

If Samuels continues at a high level if he changes teams, I'll gladly eat my words.

Somehow, I don't think that will be necessary.
You take Carlton Gray, I'll take Asante Samuel. Let's see who ends up spending their money better.
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I don't think signing corners is a good idea anyway, it's a position where age shows early and they are extremely expensive...

You're better off drafting them and walking away when their contracts are up.
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You take Carlton Gray, I'll take Asante Samuel. Let's see who ends up spending their money better.

It's not a one for one thing.

You take Samuel.

I will take Bryant Johnson, Faine, and Brown.
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It's not a one for one thing.

You take Samuel.

I will take Bryant Johnson, Faine, and Brown.
And STILL have a shitton of money left......
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And STILL have a shitton of money left......

Yep. Could throw some money at a guard and Gay then...
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