Peter King says Chiefs offering 4th rounder for Surtain - Page 11

Brock · 03-28-2005, 10:51 AM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ngs/index.html

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2. Saban loves draft picks: He wants more of them. He is in mourning over the fact the Dolphins don't have their second-round selection this year (they dealt it for A.J. Feeley last year), and I see Saban holding out for a second- or a third-round pick for cornerback Patrick Surtain. Right now, the best offer out there for Surtain is Kansas City's fourth-round pick.

htismaqe · 03-28-2005, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

keg in kc-

If I thought that we were a stud CB away from a great Defense, I would cough up for the stud CB in a heartbeat. However, we are not a stud CB away from a great Defense. And I am not even factoring the NFL’s campaign against CBs into that equation.

If Barber were healthy, I might be convinced that Barber, Bell & Fujita is enough of an upgrade over Caver, Mitchell & Fujita. Once again, that is not the case.

IMO, Surtain is the equivalent of installing a bionic arm on a patient bleeding out from a sucking chest wound.

xoxo~
Gaz
Planet paramedic.

A stud CB would go MUCH further in fixing this defense than another mediocre OLB.

IMO, adding Dyson and a mediocre OLB instead of Surtain is the equivalent of putting a new Armani suit on a patient bleeding out from a sucking chest wound.

You're basically just making sure it looks good in a casket.

**mlyonsd** · 03-28-2005, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

keg in kc-

If I thought that we were a stud CB away from a great Defense, I would cough up for the stud CB in a heartbeat. However, we are not a stud CB away from a great Defense. And I am not even factoring the NFL’s campaign against CBs into that equation.

If Barber were healthy, I might be convinced that Barber, Bell & Fujita is enough of an upgrade over Caver, Mitchell & Fujita. Once again, that is not the case.

IMO, Surtain is the equivalent of installing a bionic arm on a patient bleeding out from a sucking chest wound.

xoxo~
Gaz
Planet paramedic.

He is asking a lot of money but I think Surtain would do a much better job of sticking with a WR for the 10 or 11 seconds it takes us to put pressure on the opposing QB.

Yea, I admit it, I wanted another LB in FA.

Frankie · 03-28-2005, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyonsd

He is asking a lot of money but I think Surtain would do a much better job of sticking with a WR for the 10 or 11 seconds it takes us to put pressure on the opposing QB.

10 or 11 second? That's a lot to ask ANY CB! Ain't it?

Gaz · 03-28-2005, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Warrior5

No argument from me on Simmons (had him #3 on my personal LB chart below Pierce and Witherspoon), but please explain your preference of Hill over Dyson.

Warrior5-

I just got lazy man. Instead of typing “any two of the following: Dyson, Hill, Edwards” I just used Hill as a place-holder.

Sorry for the confusion.

xoxo~
Gaz
Took a short cut and got lost in the weeds.

Gaz · 03-28-2005, 02:04 PM

Dr. rufusmaqe-

Once again, we run aground on a fundamental difference in assumptions.

I assume the NFL will continue to attack the CB position in its craving for completions. You apparently think Surtain can overcome this double-team of talented WR & Referees.

With that disconnect, we are bound to view the patient differently.

FWIW, with Barber out of the picture “mediocre” would be an upgrade at both CB & OLB positions. I would be pleased if we could improve to “mediocre.”

xoxo~
Gaz
Looking for a nurse to abuse.

Gaz · 03-28-2005, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

10 or 11 second? That's a lot to ask ANY CB! Ain't it?

Check your sarcasm filter, Frankie…

xoxo~
Gaz
Knee-deep in the stuff.

Gaz · 03-28-2005, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I have to agree. We need more than 1 player but with that being said we need Surtain or Law. That still leaves us with about 3-4 players to go.

If you get Surtain [and his massive cap hit], what are you going to use for money on the remaining 2-3 players?

xoxo~
Gaz
Doubts a nice smile is going to cut it.

nmt1 · 03-28-2005, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Is this all you have? Seriously?

But what should I expect from someone who believes we are only entitled to 8 games a year.

Why do you care? You're not expecting anything but 8 games. Lamar should suit up his MLS team and put them in Chiefs uniforms. They could give you 8 games as well.

Your standards suck.

You're the one that typed that sorry BS in the first place. Why don't you grow a sack and stop following the team if they piss you off so much? You specifically said that if they trot out the "We can't afford it" excuse again, you'll stop following them so closely. Well, according to all the Geniouses here, they've done it several times. I'm waiting on you to stop following them so closely.
As far as the 8 games thing, what else do the Chiefs owe those who buy tickets?
I bet you'd love it if Lamar suited up his MLS team. Then you have plenty to bitch about.

**dirk digler** · 03-28-2005, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

If you get Surtain [and his massive cap hit], what are you going to use for money on the remaining 2-3 players?

xoxo~
Gaz
Doubts a nice smile is going to cut it.

We are not going to do anything else it just my wishful thinking.

I have said from the outset that we need 6-7 new starters on D next year to be competitve and I know this will never happen this year anyway.

Pants · 03-28-2005, 02:11 PM

Gaz, are you not tired of seeing us getting burned on every 3rd and long? I mean, we'd make a team lose yardage on the first two downs and then they pass for 14 yards on the 3rd. Our line gets tired and eventually starts sucking even more, causing even longer passes. Surtain + Warfield, IMO, would be a good way to decrease that problem by at least 50%

**dirk digler** · 03-28-2005, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by nmt1

You're the one that typed that sorry BS in the first place. Why don't you grow a sack and stop following the team if they piss you off so much? You specifically said that if they trot out the "We can't afford it" excuse again, you'll stop following them so closely. Well, according to all the Geniouses here, they've done it several times. I'm waiting on you to stop following them so closely.
As far as the 8 games thing, what else do the Chiefs owe those who buy tickets?
I bet you'd love it if Lamar suited up his MLS team. Then you have plenty to bitch about.

IMO they owe the fans to field a competitve team.

htismaqe · 03-28-2005, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

Dr. rufusmaqe-

Once again, we run aground on a fundamental difference in assumptions.

I assume the NFL will continue to attack the CB position in its craving for completions. You apparently think Surtain can overcome this double-team of talented WR & Referees.

With that disconnect, we are bound to view the patient differently.

FWIW, with Barber out of the picture “mediocre” would be an upgrade at both CB & OLB positions. I would be pleased if we could improve to “mediocre.”

xoxo~
Gaz
Looking for a nurse to abuse.

I think Surtain can overcome the current political climate in the NFL because he HAS ALREADY DONE SO.

The new rules not only didn't affect him last year, both he and Madison got BETTER.

**Dave Lane** · 03-28-2005, 02:15 PM

Give them our third hell its really a 4th anyway as it comes at the end of round 3. This i would be excited about.

Dave

Pants · 03-28-2005, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Give them our third hell its really a 4th anyway as it comes at the end of round 3. This i would be excited about.

Dave

Can't trade our 3rd.

Brock · 03-28-2005, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Give them our third hell its really a 4th anyway as it comes at the end of round 3. This i would be excited about.

Dave

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