Is Sims really a bust or just getting his azz kicked by double teams?

Red Dawg · 01-13-2005, 11:22 AM

We have no one on the edge right now that demands attention so Sims does get doubled alot. Junior, in the few games he did play, took pressure off him and he performed better. Maybe we are treating him a little harsh.

Deberg_1990 · 01-13-2005, 11:27 AM

Hes not a bust, but at theis point a dissappointment. When he was coming out of college he was billed as a pass rusher, ala (Warren Sapp). Its apparant now that hes nothing like that at all. Right now hes basically a big body who can clog up the middle. He may be lazy and doesnt love the game but fortunately for him, he will always have a job because some NFL team is always looking for a wide body in the middle. If we had better edge rushers nobody would care much.

htismaqe · 01-13-2005, 11:28 AM

Both.

For example, in the NYG preseason game when Whitlock went off, Sims WAS getting double-teamed quite often.

However, there were MANY MANY times when he wasn't double-teamed and managed to get pushed right out of the play.

I honestly think his problem is that he has no motivation. He's not a bust, he's a bum.

bricks · 01-13-2005, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I honestly think his problem is that he has no motivation. He's not a bust, he's a bum.

I'm trying to figure out how I can put your words into perspective?
Thinking of an example, that would be like me telling my co-worker, "oh you know your an ok worker, but, your just lazy. you simply don't have a feel for this job." Does people like him improve my working environment? No. Do I think he's a piece of sh*t? yes. Simply cause I don't want lazy people working for me, who simply don't have a passion for the job. Servicable sucks! Let's get some real people in here

htismaqe · 01-13-2005, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bricks

I'm trying to figure out how I can put your words into perspective?
Thinking of an example, that would be like me telling my co-worker, "oh you know your an ok worker, but, your just lazy. you simply don't have a feel for this job." Does people like him improve my working environment? No. Do I think he's a piece of sh*t? yes. Simply cause I don't want lazy people working for me, who simply don't have a passion for the job. Servicable sucks! Let's get some real people in here

Well, look at is this way.

Value = talent + desire

When desire is negative, overall value goes down, even if value is high. The reason Ryan Sims is "servicable" is not because he lacks physical talent, it's because he has motivation problems. If those motivation problems go away, he could be dominant.

For instance, I'm not exactly the most motivated person here at work. Hell, I spend most of my workday posting on the Planet. But I know shit that nobody else here does. And onn the days that I do get motivated, I can sell shit like nobody else here can.

Deberg_1990 · 01-13-2005, 11:54 AM

That draft, the 2002 draft was a huge failure for this organization. Sims and Freeman were the first 2 picks for us and both are failures or dissappointments. Those picks if successful should have both been huge contributors to our defense these past 2 years. One of the big reasons our D has sucked these past few years was that draft.

Chief Henry · 01-13-2005, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

That draft, the 2002 draft was a huge failure for this organization. Sims and Freeman were the first 2 picks for us and both are failures or dissappointments. Those picks if successful should have both been huge contributors to our defense these past 2 years. One of the big reasons our D has sucked these past few years was that draft.

Many of our drafts have been failures for this organization...

DTLB58 · 01-13-2005, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Both.

For example, in the NYG preseason game when Whitlock went off, Sims WAS getting double-teamed quite often.

However, there were MANY MANY times when he wasn't double-teamed and managed to get pushed right out of the play.

I honestly think his problem is that he has no motivation. He's not a bust, he's a bum.

I get that same feeling watching him. And if Gun and all the critical media dosen't motivate him, what will?

e_train69 · 01-13-2005, 11:44 AM

Bust!

Just because of what was expected when we drafted him and how high he was drafted. He is still serviceable, but far from what we had hoped for.

I believe he really benefitted from playing on the same line in college as Julius Peppers.

Chiefnj · 01-13-2005, 11:46 AM

Bust.

You can draft a 4th rounder to do what he does and get the same production.

**Rausch** · 01-13-2005, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

Bust.

You can draft a 4th rounder to do what he does and get the same production.

YOu mean like Browning?...

htismaqe · 01-13-2005, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by e_train69

Bust!

Just because of what was expected when we drafted him and how high he was drafted. He is still serviceable, but far from what we had hoped for.

I believe he really benefitted from playing on the same line in college as Julius Peppers.

Julius Peppers said the opposite...

**Rausch** · 01-13-2005, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Julius Peppers said the opposite...

Then you look at their NFL careers and you can see that Peppers was trying to be polite...

htismaqe · 01-13-2005, 11:55 AM

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Then you look at their NFL careers and you can see that Peppers was trying to be polite...

No, you look at their NFL careers and you can see that Peppers decided he needed to work for a living.

Both of them benefitted from each other in college. Watch some games if you get a chance, Sims was a FORCE. Then he signed with Englehard, got caught up in the Atlanta rap scene, and lost his desire to play football. He got his fat check and that was all she wrote.

Mr. Laz · 01-13-2005, 11:56 AM

from what i've seen he's doubled less than 50%(much less) of the time, so i don't see how that's a big issue. I saw Browning and dalton get doubled a higher % of plays than Sims imo.

i think he's lazy

chester jr.

01-13-2005, 11:22 AM	Topic Starter
Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $4732858	Is Sims really a bust or just getting his azz kicked by double teams? We have no one on the edge right now that demands attention so Sims does get doubled alot. Junior, in the few games he did play, took pressure off him and he performed better. Maybe we are treating him a little harsh.
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01-13-2005, 11:27 AM	#2
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3914454	Hes not a bust, but at theis point a dissappointment. When he was coming out of college he was billed as a pass rusher, ala (Warren Sapp). Its apparant now that hes nothing like that at all. Right now hes basically a big body who can clog up the middle. He may be lazy and doesnt love the game but fortunately for him, he will always have a job because some NFL team is always looking for a wide body in the middle. If we had better edge rushers nobody would care much. __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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01-13-2005, 11:28 AM	#3
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10269900	Both. For example, in the NYG preseason game when Whitlock went off, Sims WAS getting double-teamed quite often. However, there were MANY MANY times when he wasn't double-teamed and managed to get pushed right out of the play. I honestly think his problem is that he has no motivation. He's not a bust, he's a bum.
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01-13-2005, 11:54 AM	#6
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3914454	That draft, the 2002 draft was a huge failure for this organization. Sims and Freeman were the first 2 picks for us and both are failures or dissappointments. Those picks if successful should have both been huge contributors to our defense these past 2 years. One of the big reasons our D has sucked these past few years was that draft. __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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01-13-2005, 11:44 AM	#9
e_train69 Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Oklahoma Casino cash: $7334900	Bust! Just because of what was expected when we drafted him and how high he was drafted. He is still serviceable, but far from what we had hoped for. I believe he really benefitted from playing on the same line in college as Julius Peppers.
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01-13-2005, 11:46 AM	#10
Chiefnj MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Willis, Harris and Davis. Casino cash: $10004900	Bust. You can draft a 4th rounder to do what he does and get the same production. __________________ "I always tell (the assistant coaches), 'Make it simple, 'cause I'm stupid,'" Edwards said. "This ain't computer football." Herm Edwards, 3-20-07 Q: Herm, back on December 25th you were asked if Trent Green was your starter going into next season and you said, ‘yeah, why wouldn’t he be?’ Have you changed your mind on that? EDWARDS: No, I have not.” (1-11-07)
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01-13-2005, 11:56 AM	#15
Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	from what i've seen he's doubled less than 50%(much less) of the time, so i don't see how that's a big issue. I saw Browning and dalton get doubled a higher % of plays than Sims imo. i think he's lazy chester jr. __________________ Last edited by Mr. Laz; 01-13-2005 at 12:03 PM..
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