Chiefs Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel - Page 167

**DaFace** · 04:32 PM

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.
By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

FloridaMan88 · 12-08-2018, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

They keep playing it like this and just waiting for the playoffs and they’re gonna end up with the 5 seed and having to go to Pittsburgh

This.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 12-08-2018, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

They keep playing it like this and just waiting for the playoffs and they’re gonna end up with the 5 seed and having to go to Pittsburgh

If they think Berry is the piece that wins them the Lombardi, I completely understand what they’re doing.

They shouldn’t need him to win tomorrow. Doesn’t mean they will win, but they shouldn’t need him. Front 7 has to make the difference against BAL.

O.city · 12-08-2018, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

If they think Berry is the piece that wins them the Lombardi, I completely understand what they’re doing.

They shouldn’t need him to win tomorrow. Doesn’t mean they will win, but they shouldn’t need him. Front 7 has to make the difference against BAL.

They need all the help they can get and they have zero margin for error.

The chances of them winning the Lombardi without javeming a top seed and a bye are pretty slim

The playoffs start right now

O.city · 12-08-2018, 09:55 PM

How does anyone understand why they aren’t playing their best defensive player? He’s not healthy enough to play. It’s not some grand scheme

pugsnotdrugs19 · 12-08-2018, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

How does anyone understand why they aren’t playing their best defensive player? He’s not healthy enough to play. It’s not some grand scheme

Or maybe it’s because it’s a short week and they want to ensure that he’s available for LA...?

O.city · 12-08-2018, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Or maybe it’s because it’s a short week and they want to ensure that he’s available for LA...?

Aka, he’s not healthy?

Chiefs=Champions · 12-08-2018, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Just use Berry in the red zone and as a box safety/big nickel in the DOD role.

I don't think that heel is ready to sprint 50 yards to play center field.

That heel is more likely to get inflamed by quick change of direction and contact. Not saying that i wouldnt have him play box safety though. I think thats where we need him.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-08-2018, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

I won't listen to that SJW's takes

I'm late on this, but I read in another thread that Paylor has taken the Jo-Po/Whitlock-road to greater glory?

I understand that the goal is to move upward in your chosen career, I get that. But the Star needs to do a better job vetting it's sportswriters and reporters so you don't go from First Class to "Hobo Berry and the Underpass Four" sitting behind the keyboard.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 12-08-2018, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Aka, he’s not healthy?

Not necessarily. Any player who suits up tomorrow is at a greater risk of not being available on Thursday, and I think they’re probably viewing it that way with him given they don’t know yet how the heel will respond

OKchiefs · 12-08-2018, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Just running him out there cold against a top offense doesn't seem wise.

Would hate to see his rust be the reason we lose.

This. Not sure it's a great idea to send him in rusty to the game that might decide the division. And if we can't pull out the win tomorrow because of some defensive lapses that could have been prevented by better secondary play?

RunKC · 12-08-2018, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Or maybe it’s because it’s a short week and they want to ensure that he’s available for LA...?

He hasn’t played in a game since week 1 of last season. He needs to get reps before the playoffs start.

I hope he plays some snaps tomorrow.

TEX · 12-08-2018, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Not necessarily. Any player who suits up tomorrow is at a greater risk of not being available on Thursday, and I think they’re probably viewing it that way with him given they don’t know yet how the heel will respond

And then Thursday will come and go and he wont play and the line will be drawn further down the road. We're running out of road. He needs to play. The sooner the better IMO.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 12-08-2018, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

And then Thursday will come and go and he wont play and the line will be drawn further down the road. We're running out of road. He needs to play. The sooner the better IMO.

We’ve got legit reporter telling us that he’s preparing to play Thursday and that it’s very likely. That’s a first. It’s not like they said he was going to play last week or this week.

This was the plan.

**SAUTO** · 12-08-2018, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

We’ve got legit reporter telling us that he’s preparing to play Thursday and that it’s very likely. That’s a first. It’s not like they said he was going to play last week or this week.

This was the plan.

They said the team was planning on him playing against Jacksonville iirc

OKchiefs · 12-08-2018, 10:32 PM

It's going to be so exciting to go through this again next year!!!

09-29-2018, 01:06 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $1996899	Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday. By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.” The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.” More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo: Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.” This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg. Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week. Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos. ---- Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann: A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition. The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well. The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself. Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function. These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is. Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side. Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some. For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period. If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level. Last edited by DaFace; 09-29-2018 at 04:32 PM..
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