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my sleep is ****ed up enough w/dreams, walking and talking. if i take something, i want it to knock me out. no dreams at all(that i can remember). it just interests me when i hear of people talking about their dreams. like sbg said, the mind is a powerful entity. sec
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10-25-2012, 08:07 AM | #2 | |
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10-25-2012, 01:44 PM | #4 |
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This thread could use some Science.....
First off... most of the "Supplements" available do not do what you think they do. Supplements by and large are simply snake oil meant to take your money while giving you the psychologically pleasing feeling of helping yourself. There are some things for sure that actually have affects on your body that make it worth it, as you'll see from the graphic below. I know there will be many posts saying BS, it worked for me and this guy I know. But generally all these ingredients have been studied to the point that we can prove exactly what it does and doesn't do. If you're convinced it's working for you, then great. That feeling of "Something is making me feel better" is powerful in its own right. Just know that anything labeled "Supplement" has no proof of whatever claim it makes. If there were any proof, it wouldn't need to be labeled as a supplement. And remember that supplements themselves are the least efficient way to introduce those ingredients into your body. Supplements generally are drastically less effective than ingesting actual foods containing those ingredients. Taking a Vitamin C pill is infinitely less effective than eating a couple oranges, etc. Whenever possible, go for the source of whatever ingredient you're wanting. Here's a very handy graph, showing where the majority of supplements stack up. Note the "Worth it" line. Essentially everything under that isn't worth the money spent on the product. This graphic is dynamically updated and pulls info from the giant table of documentation at the link at the bottom of this post. Unfortunately, the 3 ingredients in ZMA aren't even over the "Worth it" line. And here's the link with all the information used to construct this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...hl=en_GB#gid=0 That includes links to case studies and actual scientific information from sources that are not trying to sell you what they're recommending.
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10-25-2012, 01:56 PM | #5 |
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10-25-2012, 02:11 PM | #6 | |
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There's lots of misinformation on Creatine. It's generally sold for athletic and endurance purposes, but actually there's less proof of that effect than all the other researched uses for Creatine.
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Uh...leaving aside my own experience with creatine, there is a metric ton of study that shows a very definite benefit to athletic performance. For distance runners? I don't know. For building lean muscle mass? Absolutely. Without question.
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10-26-2012, 07:42 AM | #8 | |
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People don't take it for endurance sports because it's useless for that. The science is in when it comes to short-bursts though, and it's conclusively beneficial. Saying it's of no use for endurance is about as relevant as pointing out that your car won't run on it or that EPO is useless for weightlifting. I take Superpump Max pre-workout and it's much been much better for me than the coffee I was having before. Whether or not there's a placebo effect is academic to me. On the topic of supplements though - just because something occurs naturally in our body or in our usual diet, doesn't mean we can't use more of that thing if we want to increase the demands on our body (by making it larger or whatever). If supplementing was entirely bunk in theory, supplementing testosterone with needles wouldn't work either. I mean, we already have test in our bodies, right? |
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10-26-2012, 08:58 AM | #9 | |
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And it's ironic that you bring up testosterone supplements. That's one of the worst categories of misinformed supplements. At least you clarified it as supplementing with needles. That's at least slightly effective compared to the pill format. Still it's not really worth it for the majority of people. For people with abnormally low testosterone due to a medical condition, yes there is definitely a benefit. But it's by and large misrepresented for marketing purposes to people who don't need it. It might help you gain some lean body mass when accompanied by a strict workout schedule. Maybe a little. I think this article explains it pretty well. The author, a personal trainer and editor for many fitness and nutrition magazines, even issues a challenge to anyone regarding the effectiveness of T supplementation: Quote:
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10-25-2012, 02:14 PM | #12 |
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Who said you don't need vitamins?
You don't need vitamin supplements. You certainly need vitamins. And you get them from the foods you eat. Vitamin supplements are completely unnecessary for the most part.
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10-25-2012, 02:30 PM | #13 | |
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First hand though, ZMA has made me feel better than pretty much any other supplement. That's pretty much all I can go off of. You probably don't even like trains. |
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