If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Depends. I'm not going to ignore him if he has a Steve Young post 29 year old career. But I'm also not going to jump on the Smith bandwagon if we win a SB in 2000 Ravens fashion.

Huh? He wins a Super Bowl and I go full mulletmantruefan. I don't give a **** how they finally do it once it's done.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by PGM

Huh? He wins a Super Bowl and I go full mulletmantruefan. I don't give a **** how they finally do it once it's done.

I will to. But if its in 2000 Ravens fashion I'm going to be going full on true fan for everyone else on the team.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

9ers are more talented than New England, Atlanta, and Baltimore. They are also more balanced than frauds like Denver by far. They really are the most talented team in the league IMO.

[ayleswbj]

He did have that game won, a 73 bomb and 40yrd to Davis. Also drove them down the field to take the lead. I was at this game, i never been to an NFL football game in worse conditions. It was an absolute sunami. Take a look at Eli's numbers as well, he also didnt play well. Alex threw for 200yrds and Eil for 300, but it took him 58 att to do it. Smith only attempt 26. He also had 6 carries for 42 yrds. Anyway he was pretty great in the Playoffs, 5TD, 0INT, 70 something yrds rushing. anyway you had to be at this game to appreciate it from a football standpoint and how difficult it was. One of those games where you only noticed the stats later. It was the big play after a bunch of nothing for both guys.

[jd34]

In that NFCC game Michael Crabtree was the only 49er WR that had ever started there before. The other WR was Brett Swain, an emergency waiver pick up from Green Bay that had only been with the team for a couple of weeks. NYG doubled Crabtree and effectively took him out of the game. Vernon Davis, though a very good deep threat for a TE, is a poor route runner so he was of little value due to the Giants doubling him with a LB and safety. The biggest weakness of that team was a lack of quality pass receivers. (As a witness to that fact, after that season, they signed a washed up Randy Moss who did nothing all year. They also signed Mario Manningham who had been the #3 receiver in NY, and they used their #1 pick for AJ Jenkins, who to this point has been a total disappointment. Because of the poor showing by Jenkins, they now have brought in Anquan Boldin to hopefully bring the WR corp up to competitive levels.)

Still, the 49er offense put up enough points so that lacking TWO Kyle Williams fumbles, would have gone to the SB.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Messier

Throw a few TDs, not turn it over. I blame tthe 4 fumbles two lost.

You should go look at the play-by-play for that game.

Lot of incomplete passes by Alex Smith on third downs. Lot of completed passes well short of the sticks. A handful of scrambles by Alex Smith on third down that did not convert. And they weren't in third and long consistently. They were in third and short and third and medium most of the time.

The 49ers only moved the chains on third down three times in that game. Two of those were on penalties (though one penalty wiped out a 4-yard pass on third and 2). The third time was the end of 4th quarter play, on a 3rd and 9 from the San Fran 28, that picked up about 30 yards but was never in danger of creating a scoring opportunity.

Without the Giants surrendering a huge cushion at the end of the 4th quarter to prevent a miraculous hail mary, the 49ers would not have converted a single 3rd down on their own in the entire game.

Alex Smith has historically been awful on third downs as an NFL QB, even during his 2011 and 2012 "great" seasons. It's one of the things that keeps him in the 'game manager' category for me. Elite and near-elite QBs are more successful on third down.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by jd1020

I don't give a shit about Alex Smith.

I give a shit about the Chiefs being ignorants like the fans.

Which is exactly what this thread is about.

If only Reid and Dorsey had the extensive football knowledge and experience that you have we would be ok....

[duncan_idaho]

Also, re: Vernon Davis TDs in that NFC championship game...

The second one was a nice throw to get it underneath the safety. Davis toasted his coverage off the line. The coverage over the top was the only thing that made that tough.

The 73-yarder, he had 2-4 steps on the defender and no help over the top when Smith hit him. That play was not about Alex Smith (though credit to him for not missing a wide-open receiver 25-30 yards downfield). It was about a blown coverage and Vernon Davis' freaky speed.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by splatbass

If only Reid and Dorsey had the extensive football knowledge and experience that you have we would be ok....

You don't need a wealth of football knowledge to look and see who is winning in the league right now and what they are winning it with.

[O.city]

Live from chiefs otas coming up on sportscenter

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by jd1020

You don't need a wealth of football knowledge to look and see who is winning in the league right now and what they are winning it with.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by splatbass

I see you have a difference of opinion.

Care to share you ideas of why the Chiefs are and have been doing it the right way?

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by jd1020

I see you have a difference of opinion.

Care to share you ideas of why the Chiefs are and have been doing it the right way?

Duuuuuuuuuuuude.

At any given point in time, you can only choose from the options that are available to you. You can throw a temper tantrum because there's no Luck/RG3 in the draft, but it doesn't change the fact that there just wasn't even a Matt Ryan or a Joe Flacco. THE REST OF THE NFL CONFIRMED IT. Wanting it desperately to be so doesn't change the reality.

Reid/Dorsey took the best option that was available. Alex Smith was the best option out of a pool that included Kolb and Flynn...and nothing.

This isn't Madden 2013, they can't put it on a season simulator and just tank the year and try again next year. It's a business, they're paid to win, and they're going to try like hell to do so.

This was what was available. You can only deal in the realities.

[Chris Meck]

and for all of that, in Bray, they took the one QB with probably the most potential upside. If NONE of the draft's QB's are ready to play, then at least they took the most gifted guy. If they'd drafted him in the 3rd round, would you all still be flipping out?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Short-timer Smith: polarizing buttnugget of the now.
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