If not #1, where?

[BigMeatballDave]

If Smith is worth trading up for, or another player is that exciting, then why are the Chiefs even moving down?

If Reid and Dorsey like Albert, he'll be re-signed before the draft. Then you know Joeckel will not be the pick.

[ChiefBoyRDEE]

Andy is a master of trading down and accumulating picks, Geno is not the answer at #1, the team needs LOTS of players

a no brainer in my mind

more realistic that Andy trades for Kevin Kobb and accumulates draft picks to stock the whole roster and then keeps his eye out for another franchise QB

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by ChefBoyRDEE

Andy is a master of trading down and accumulating picks, Geno is not the answer at #1, the team needs LOTS of players

a no brainer in my mind

more realistic that Andy trades for Kevin Kobb and accumulates draft picks to stock the whole roster and then keeps his eye out for another franchise QB

Stupid. BTW Geno Smith is worth the #1 pick & your dumb if you don't think so. Just ****ing dumb.

[Chiefshrink]

Understand that the 'poker play' has already started(Reid + Dorsey) and specifically even with our owner. However, the 'PLAYER PIMPING' (SR. Bowl, combine, private workouts, etc....) hasn't started yet. Once this gets going and by the time draft comes around you will have several teams wanting to trade up for Joekel and Smith.

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by ChefBoyRDEE

Andy is a master of trading down and accumulating picks, Geno is not the answer at #1, the team needs LOTS of players

a no brainer in my mind

more realistic that Andy trades for Kevin Kobb and accumulates draft picks to stock the whole roster and then keeps his eye out for another franchise QB

Lol, another? Who's the first? We have a front row seat for Andy to "keep his eye out" for a franchise QB.

[ChiefBoyRDEE]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

Lol, another? Who's the first? We have a front row seat for Andy to "keep his eye out" for a franchise QB.

was it Len Dawson? hehe

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by ChefBoyRDEE

Andy is a master of trading down and accumulating picks, Geno is not the answer at #1, the team needs LOTS of players

a no brainer in my mind

more realistic that Andy trades for Kevin Kobb and accumulates draft picks to stock the whole roster and then keeps his eye out for another franchise QB

How are you trading down if no one is interested in trading up?

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by ChefBoyRDEE

Andy is a master of trading down and accumulating picks, Geno is not the answer at #1, the team needs LOTS of players

a no brainer in my mind

more realistic that Andy trades for Kevin Kobb and accumulates draft picks to stock the whole roster and then keeps his eye out for another franchise QB

I hate you because that is entirely possible. Arizona has the #7 pick. I could very easily see Reid trading the #1 pick for Arizona's first this year and next + Kolb.

(According to the draft value charts, the trade up value from AZ's #7 position to our #1 is their first this year and next + their second round pick. Basically, we would trade the second round pick we would otherwise pick up for Kolb. That is just way too much like how our last regime started.)

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

I hate you because that is entirely possible. Arizona has the #7 pick. I could very easily see Reid trading the #1 pick for Arizona's first this year and next + Kolb.

(According to the draft value charts, the trade up value from AZ's #7 position to our #1 is their first this year and next + their second round pick. Basically, we would trade the second round pick we would otherwise pick up for Kolb. That is just way too much like how our last regime started.)

It would be exactly how our last regime started. God, what a disaster that would be.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

I hate you because that is entirely possible. Arizona has the #7 pick. I could very easily see Reid trading the #1 pick for Arizona's first this year and next + Kolb.

(According to the draft value charts, the trade up value from AZ's #7 position to our #1 is their first this year and next + their second round pick. Basically, we would trade the second round pick we would otherwise pick up for Kolb. That is just way too much like how our last regime started.)

that is not a bad trade.......Kolb may not be the QB everyone wants, but I think it is fair to say he is far ahead of Cassel

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

that is not a bad trade.......Kolb may not be the QB everyone wants, but I think it is fair to say he is far ahead of Cassel

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

that is not a bad trade.......Kolb may not be the QB everyone wants, but I think it is fair to say he is far ahead of Cassel

We need to raise that bar quite a bit. And we need to get as far away as we can from the the mentality of the 90s Chiefs on QBs.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

that is not a bad trade.......Kolb may not be the QB everyone wants, but I think it is fair to say he is far ahead of Cassel

He can't stay on the field.

He's WORSE than Cassel.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

I hate you because that is entirely possible. Arizona has the #7 pick. I could very easily see Reid trading the #1 pick for Arizona's first this year and next + Kolb.

(According to the draft value charts, the trade up value from AZ's #7 position to our #1 is their first this year and next + their second round pick. Basically, we would trade the second round pick we would otherwise pick up for Kolb. That is just way too much like how our last regime started.)

If Reid truly liked Kolb, why did he allow him to leave Philly?

If Reid really has a mancrush on Vick, as you say, then why did he bench Vick?

Vick was a turnover machine. Just like Cassel.

None of your speculation makes any sense.

I'll happily admit I was wrong if any of this happens.

I'm fairly confident none of it will.

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by Dave

If Reid truly liked Kolb, why did he allow him to leave Philly?

Vick came in and lit it up--so much so that he was named comeback player of the year. The Eagles placed the franchise tag on him and then gave him a $100M contract. Reid likes value so he got something for Kolb including a pick and a CB--an area of need for the Eagles. Based on the numbers that Vick was putting up at the time, that is good, smart football.

If Reid really has a mancrush on Vick, as you say, then why did he bench Vick?

Vick was benched because of injury. Folks in Philly were furious that Reid hadn't benched him earlier in the season. Reid stood by Vick. FTR, Billick agreed with Reid: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...eagles-starter

Vick was a turnover machine. Just like Cassel.

Vick had a lot of turnovers, but he was no where close to Cassel. Vick had 11 total TDs last year and 13 total TOs while Cassel had 7 total TDs and 19 total TOs. Vick was bad; Cassel was epically bad.

None of your speculation makes any sense.

I'll happily admit I was wrong if any of this happens.

I'm fairly confident none of it will.

I don't know why you think I'm against taking Geno with the #1 pick. I've never said it. I've been on the Geno bandwagon from the start of the season. (Look at post #14 on the Geno Smith fans roll call thread.)

What I have said is that based on Reid's draft history, based on what Clark has said, based on what Reid has said, based on what Dorsey has said--I'm tempering my expectations and hopes that the Chiefs will use the #1 pick on Smith.

I fully expect AZ to trade their pick to the Chiefs and that they will use it on Smith. Believe it or not, once you get past Kolb, their QBs are actually worse than the Chiefs. Brady Freakin Quinn had better stats than Skelton or Lindley.

If (and that is a big if) the Chiefs traded out of the first pick, I would rather they get the other second round pick. I hate the thought of getting Kolb. That is my nightmare scenario.