Kiper Mock 3.0

[Aspengc8]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

The offense put up 44 points without Charles. I think they'll be fine if they can get the OL figured out because Reid's system is designed to succeed with even just average perimeter threats as long as the blocking holds up.

With all due respect, the colts D is atrocious.

Originally Posted by Dayze

"The Chiefs are going to be a good defense again in 2014"

...they are? They got their shit pushed in for 1/2 of the season, and embarrassed in the playoffs.

You left out the most important part of the quote..

"The Chiefs are going to be a good defense again in 2014 if they stay healthy"

We got our shit pushed in when H/H were hurt and got 0 pressure rushing 4.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Aspengc8

With all due respect, the colts D is atrocious.





You left out the most important part of the quote..

"The Chiefs are going to be a good defense again in 2014 if they stay healthy"

We got our shit pushed in when H/H were hurt and got 0 pressure rushing 4.

They're the same defense that gave Manning a hard time for much of their game vs the Broncos. Same defense that helped them beat several playoff caliber teams in the regular season.

[Aspengc8]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

They're the same defense that gave Manning a hard time for much of their game vs the Broncos. Same defense that helped them beat several playoff caliber teams in the regular season.

They did not seem 100%, which is why we saw almost no man press with 2 high.

[planetdoc]

I would want Kareem Martin over Anthony Barr

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

I would want Kareem Martin over Anthony Barr

Yes, let's pass on one of the top 3 3-4 OLB prospects for a 4-3 DE rated as a 2nd to 3rd round talent.

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Yes, let's pass on one of the top 3 3-4 OLB prospects for a 4-3 DE rated as a 2nd to 3rd round talent.

interesting you have no problem drafting barr when he is as raw as Hageman.

Originally Posted by Barr nfl draft profile

Switched from OLB in 2012, after spending first two seasons at running back. 2013

Hageman switched from playing TE

Originally Posted by Barr nfl draft profile

Developing instincts -- late to locate the ball and too easily fooled by play-action and misdirection. Motor runs hot and cold -- does not always apply himself. Can be locked down too easily when engaged -- unrefined hand use. Lacks variety of pass-rush moves and relies too much on natural speed. Average eyes, anticipation and awareness in coverage — marginal feel. Average base strength -- moved off the ball too easily by tight ends (plays tall). Needs more time in the weight room -- 15 bench-press reps were tied for the fewest among linebackers at the combine.

As for Kareem Martin, he is as athletic as Barr with better measurables.

Originally Posted by Kareem Martin nfl draft profile

Possesses very intriguing dimensions for a rush OLB role in a traditional, two-gapping, 3-4 alignment and showed he is athletic enough to handle it at his pro day.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

interesting you have no problem drafting barr when he is as raw as Hageman.



Hageman switched from playing TE



As for Kareem Martin, he is as athletic as Barr with better measurables.

I have no problem with Barr because he was actually one of the most productive pass rushers in a tougher conference in college. Barr is also 22 years old whereas Hageman is going to be 24 years old as a rookie. Nice try though.

Kareem Martin is a 4-3 DE, not a 3-4 OLB. He also had nowhere near the same level of production in college as Barr did.