Fisher + Alex OR Fisher + Geno

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We all know we could have had Fisher + Geno since we would have had the 33rd pick tonight. Nobody thought that was a possibility before. But hindsight says, we made a big mistake.

Which would you have preferred?

Fisher + Geno = pure jizz

Fisher + Alex = limp dick chicken shit


I still think teams made a mistake passing on Geno. I think his arm strength, it just doesn't have that zip to it. That has to be the only reason that I can see. But he has those unmeasurable that you want in a QB imo.

What could have been....

But that's my opinion, whats the consensus now on CP?

[BigMeatballDave]

Exercise in futility

[In58men]

Geno + Fisher

[The Bad Guy]

There has to be some kind of huge red flag that every team is seeing in order to have EJ Manual be the first QB off the board.

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

There has to be some kind of huge red flag that every team is seeing in order to have EJ Manual be the first QB off the board.

that's what I'm wondering. What it is? It's not like Geno was overlooked, he was considered the top QB and everybody analyzed him.

It's his arm strength, that's what's turning them off I think. He'd be pretty solid for this run option shit that's spreading like wildfire too.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

There has to be some kind of huge red flag that every team is seeing in order to have EJ Manual be the first QB off the board.

This.


That Nawrocki dude is looking like some sort of genious.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...outing-reports


QB Geno Smith, #12
West Virginia
PFW Grade: 5.39
Ht: 6-23/8 | Wt: 218 | Sp: 4.59 | Arm: 321/2 | Hand: 91/4


Notes: His cousin, Melvin Bratton, was a star running back for the Miami Hurricanes in the late 1980s. The Florida prep was a Parade All-American selection after throwing for over 3,000 yards and 32 touchdowns. Saw limited action in five games as a true freshman in 2009, completing 32-of-49 passes for 309 yards (65.3 percent) with one touchdown and one interception while playing through a broken fifth metatarsal in his left foot for part of the season. Took over as the starter in ’10 and tossed 241-372-2,763-24-7 (64.8) in 13 starts. Was the first West Virginia QB in 12 years to throw for over 2,500 yards in a season. Garnered heavy recognition for ’11 season, setting the Big East Conference and school mark for passing yards with 346-526-4,385-31-7 (65.8), in addition to becoming the first Mountaineer QB in history and only the second Big East player to surpass 4,000 yards in a season in 13 starts. Named Orange Bowl MVP after throwing for 407 yards and six touchdowns against Clemson. Set the school record and led the Big 12 Conference in touchdown passes in ’12 after tossing 369-518-4,205-42-6 (a conference-leading 71.2) in 13 starts. Threw for 656 yards and eight touchdowns in a 70-63 shootout victory against Baylor. Had a 26-13 record in 39 career starts.


Positives: Has a strong arm and can rifle the ball with good velocity into tight windows. Can throw with accuracy on the move and layer the deep ball. Good overall accuracy, ball placement and touch, especially on the fade route. Throws a very catchable ball — spins it tightly. Good escapability — can sidestep the rush, find an open throwing window and extend plays with his feet when needed. Outstanding straight-line speed — clocked the best 40-yard time (4.56 seconds) and broad jump (10-foot-4) of any quarterback at the Combine. Very durable, experienced, three-year starter — overcame an average offensive line, has never missed any time to injury and will play through pain.


Negatives: Operated an offense where he received adjustments from the sidelines and was often out of sync with receivers. Average field vision and coverage recognition — forces throws and does not work through progressions. Takes unnecessary sacks and does not feel pressure well. Not an elusive scrambler. Shaky lower-body mechanics — does not stand tall in the pocket (crouches, hops, dances and elevates to his toes when he throws). Has pin legs and bad pocket posture. Operated almost exclusively from the gun. Not a student of the game. Nonchalant field presence — does not command respect from teammates and cannot inspire. Mild practice demeanor — no urgency. Not committed or focused — marginal work ethic. Interviewed poorly at the Combine and did not show an understanding of concepts on the white board. Opted not to compete at the Senior Bowl and has approached offseason training as if he has already arrived and it shows in his body with minimal muscle definition or strength. Has small hands and glaring ball security issues (32 career fumbles). Really struggled handling the snow in Pinstripe Bowl (took two safeties) and will be troubled by the elements. Needed to be coddled in college — cannot handle hard coaching.


Summary: Started the season red-hot with the help of two playmaking receivers and created a national stir generating a lot of overexcitement in the scouting community. Quickly came down to earth after Kansas State disguised coverages and brought pressure he could not handle and he finished dropping six of his final eight games. A cross between Akili Smith and Aaron Brooks, Smith is a gimmick, overhyped product of the system lacking the football savvy, work habits and focus to cement a starting job and could drain energy from a QB room. Will be overdrafted and struggle to produce against NFL defensive complexities.
NFL projection: Top-50 pick.

[Chief_For_Life58]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

There has to be some kind of huge red flag that every team is seeing in order to have EJ Manual be the first QB off the board.

this is what ive been thinking about since the bills drafted him. They all know something we dont.

[NorthernWV]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

There has to be some kind of huge red flag that every team is seeing in order to have EJ Manual be the first QB off the board.

Bills are only ones that saw it

[Buckweath]

Originally Posted by NorthernWV

Bills are only ones that saw it

Yeah exactly, that we know.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

There has to be some kind of huge red flag that every team is seeing in order to have EJ Manual be the first QB off the board.

Judging by the teams that need quarterbacks and passed on them, they are the teams that aren't sharpest tools in the shed to begin with.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Judging by the teams that need quarterbacks and passed on them, they are the teams that aren't sharpest tools in the shed to begin with.

I think they are all hoping to pull a 2010 Bengals/49ers in which they got their higher rated player and potential QBOTF early in the 2nd.


I don't think it means they hate this QB class. I suppose we'll have to wait until this round. If all those QBs fly off the board though, then I think that's what the philosophy was behind the lack of QBs in the first.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by Ponderception

I think they are all hoping to pull a 2010 Bengals/49ers in which they got their higher rated player and potential QBOTF early in the 2nd.


I don't think it means they hate this QB class. I suppose we'll have to wait until this round. If all those QBs fly off the board though, then I think that's what the philosophy was behind the lack of QBs in the first.

That too. But the quarterback hungry teams - Chiefs, Cardinals, Bills, Browns, Jaguars, etc. Aren't exactly the teams that make the smartest decisions regarding quarterbacks especially in the draft. So its not a huge surprise they passed on them.

[TexanGuy]

As a Texans fan, I hope you guys get Geno. We know what it's like to have a noodle arm, game managing QB. Fisher's not an elite prospect but he can be solid (terrible year to have the 1st pick btw).

Hopefully they can swing a deal or get Geno with the 2nd round pick they can get for Albert.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

There has to be some kind of huge red flag that every team is seeing in order to have EJ Manual be the first QB off the board.

Maybe his workouts? What a freefall. From a potential 1-5 pick to maybe 2nd rounder.

[NorthernWV]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Maybe his workouts? What a freefall. From a potential 1-5 pick to maybe 2nd rounder.

??????? Did you even pay attention this offseason at all???? His workouts (at the time) supposedly solidified him as the best QB...the combine everyone was talking about Geno and his proday "made people gasp"...I'm guessing its his pouting thats off-putting to teams