Chiefs PFF talks Chiefs O-line - Page 2

Hammock Parties · 04-03-2012, 03:30 AM

This is also an excellent article explaining some of their grading process.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...-april-2-2012/

You guys have talked a lot about Barry Richardson dragging down the quality of the Chiefs’ line. Now that they’ve added Eric Winston, how do you think their line grades out compared to the rest of the league? – Matt Conner

Ben Stockwell: The addition of Winston immediately makes the Chiefs one of the best offensive lines in the league. In terms of an offensive line ranking, Winston not only upgrades a line that we ranked 16th in the 2011 season, it plugs their biggest weakness and also takes away one of the best players from our fifth-ranked offensive line from last season. It doesn’t solve all of their problems, but any time that you can replace arguably the worst right tackle in the league with arguably the best, well you can’t really make a bigger jump than that.

You can only really imagine where the Chiefs might be if they hadn’t made the hasty decision of cutting Jared Gaither during the middle of the year. A line of Gaither at left tackle, Winston at right tackle and shifting Branden Albert inside to his collegiate position of guard would be a fearsome group for the Chiefs’ backfield duo of Jamaal Charles and Peyton Hillis to run behind. As it is, they don’t have Gaither anymore, but they’re not exactly short changed.

The biggest obstacle for the Chiefs to improve in 2012 will be getting more from there interior offensive line as run blockers. Winston really helps them on the edge–not only in upgrading their pass protection, but also helping them spring more runs off-tackle–but Jon Asamoah and Ryan Lilja really need to up their game as interior run blockers. It’s just about all this line is missing now that they have made that big leap at right tackle.

Hammock Parties · 04-03-2012, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

But can we win a playoff game?

Against the right opponent, at HOME, probably.

Forget home playoff games. We aren't winning the division.

whoman69 · 04-03-2012, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

If this line would suddenly become a shadow of that 2003-2005 team, is that good enough to win even WITH Cassel? And yes, that's a sincere question.

The defense is certainly better than that team, but Cassel's inconsistency doesn't give them as high a ceiling. Any talk of this being a championship team is moot despite the pieces of the puzzle are added as long as Check Down is under center.

jspchief · 04-03-2012, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

But can we win a playoff game?

Yes.

Probably dependent on the opponent, but yeah. I'm sure playing with a line that dominant and a top 15 defense we would be capable of beating any team.

But hell, Denver won a playoff game with Tim Tebow. Doesn't mean it's a recipe for success.

Micjones · 04-03-2012, 06:59 AM

Looking forward to the Chiefs taking at least one Interior Offensive Lineman early.
Round 2 or 3 preferably.

Deberg_1990 · 04-03-2012, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

If this line would suddenly become a shadow of that 2003-2005 team, is that good enough to win even WITH Cassel? And yes, that's a sincere question.

Good enough to win and make the playoffs yes. ANything other than that is a pipe dream.

Cassel has won 10 and 11 games before. Hes not complete garbage contrary to popular belief.

IMO hes one of those guys who plays "just good enough" to save his job and crush your dreams.

htismaqe · 04-03-2012, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Thanks Haley!

Come on man. That whole paragraph is based on the premise of moving Albert inside and playing Gaither at LT.

Gaither hasn't played a whole season in like 3 years. Do you really want to move Albert for THAT?

yeti · 04-03-2012, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Blick

Which vet?

I like versatility, but for some reason, I don't like guards moving to center. I like natural centers. The center-QB exchange is not something I like putting in the hands of an inexperienced guy.

Philip Rivers says "THIS"

**BigMeatballDave** · 04-03-2012, 08:01 AM

I really wish these ****ing morons would

about moving Albert.

**Easy 6** · 04-03-2012, 08:01 AM

Cassel could have Roaf, Hutchinson, Dawson, Shields and Eric Williams in front of him, and it wouldnt make him any more accurate, stronger or clutch.

I hope Peter King was right yesterday in MMQB when he said 'Matt Cassel shouldnt sleep too lightly on his pillow tonight'.

htismaqe · 04-03-2012, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by scott free

Cassel could have Roaf, Hutchinson, Dawson, Shields and Eric Williams in front of him, and it wouldnt make him any more accurate, stronger or clutch.

I hope Peter King was right yesterday in MMQB when he said 'Matt Cassel shouldnt sleep too lightly on his pillow tonight'.

Why should Cassel worry at all? They failed to acquire a QB that can best him in a competition, if indeed there ever even is a competition.

King loves all things Patriot. He's helping his buddy Pioli out by playing up the ruse.

Molitoth · 04-03-2012, 08:10 AM

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Branden Albert inside to his collegiate position of guard

I didn't know Albert was a guard...

**BigMeatballDave** · 04-03-2012, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

I didn't know Albert was a guard...

Have you been under a rock?

**Saul Good** · 04-03-2012, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefMojo

Still would much rather just keep Hudson at center and just get a vet to back him up if he isn't ready.

How can we "keep" Hudson at Center? The guy has never snapped the ball in the NFL nor did he ever start a game there in college.

He was a 3* recruit at Center in high school who blossomed into an All-American Guard in college. How many times do we have to watch the Chiefs switch players' positions around to disasterous results before we quit pining for a patchwork team?

prhom · 04-03-2012, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

How can we "keep" Hudson at Center? The guy has never snapped the ball in the NFL nor did he ever start a game there in college.

He was a 3* recruit at Center in high school who blossomed into an All-American Guard in college. How many times do we have to watch the Chiefs switch players' positions around to disasterous results before we quit pining for a patchwork team?

Hudson is an unknown quantity at center, and none of us know just how comfortable Crennel is going into the season with Hudson as our center. Though one would think he's pretty comfortable with him or I think we'd have been more active in going after Wells. Surely the plan isn't to draft a center and have himstart over a guy we've been working on at that position for a year? Maybe that's our plan a, trade down and take Konz... theres too many variables to know at this point.

beach tribe · 04-03-2012, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Thanks Haley!

Albert would have just left next off-season to be a LT.

04-03-2012, 03:30 AM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4730478	PFF talks Chiefs O-line This is also an excellent article explaining some of their grading process. http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...-april-2-2012/ You guys have talked a lot about Barry Richardson dragging down the quality of the Chiefs’ line. Now that they’ve added Eric Winston, how do you think their line grades out compared to the rest of the league? – Matt Conner Ben Stockwell: The addition of Winston immediately makes the Chiefs one of the best offensive lines in the league. In terms of an offensive line ranking, Winston not only upgrades a line that we ranked 16th in the 2011 season, it plugs their biggest weakness and also takes away one of the best players from our fifth-ranked offensive line from last season. It doesn’t solve all of their problems, but any time that you can replace arguably the worst right tackle in the league with arguably the best, well you can’t really make a bigger jump than that. You can only really imagine where the Chiefs might be if they hadn’t made the hasty decision of cutting Jared Gaither during the middle of the year. A line of Gaither at left tackle, Winston at right tackle and shifting Branden Albert inside to his collegiate position of guard would be a fearsome group for the Chiefs’ backfield duo of Jamaal Charles and Peyton Hillis to run behind. As it is, they don’t have Gaither anymore, but they’re not exactly short changed. The biggest obstacle for the Chiefs to improve in 2012 will be getting more from there interior offensive line as run blockers. Winston really helps them on the edge–not only in upgrading their pass protection, but also helping them spring more runs off-tackle–but Jon Asamoah and Ryan Lilja really need to up their game as interior run blockers. It’s just about all this line is missing now that they have made that big leap at right tackle.
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Easy 6 pie is never free Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the drivers seat Casino cash: $3747775	Cassel could have Roaf, Hutchinson, Dawson, Shields and Eric Williams in front of him, and it wouldnt make him any more accurate, stronger or clutch. I hope Peter King was right yesterday in MMQB when he said 'Matt Cassel shouldnt sleep too lightly on his pillow tonight'.
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