Life Baby kidnapped from home in KC - Page 40

**Iowanian** · 10-05-2011, 02:30 PM

How is this not a topic of discussion on a KC message board?

Deberg_1990 · 10-21-2011, 03:44 PM

They probably found all kinds of evidence in that house yesterday to build a case, just hasnt leaked to the press yet. They dragged out carpets among other things....

Documents filed today in Clay County Circuit Court said police took blankets, toys and articles of clothing from the house on North Lister, as well as rolls of tape and a tape dispenser

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/21...#ixzz1bSHQYZUE

Radar Chief · 10-21-2011, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

I did some looking the other day, and I don't recall exactly, but it was very quick. And they said a dog can find a sunken body under running water that was fairly deep.

I know a body starts decomposing almost immediately but I can’t think of what it is the dogs would be picking up on. Of course I’m thinking of this as a human and dogs have something like 10,000X the sensory receptors in their noses than we do.
Now I have heard of the water thing, saw a show where they explained how they did it. Put the dog in the bow of a boat and when it triggered they approached the same location from a different direction, after the dog triggered several times in the same location they sent a diver down and sure enough there it was.

ReynardMuldrake · 10-21-2011, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

They probably found all kinds of evidence in that house yesterday to build a case, just hasnt leaked to the press yet. They dragged out carpets among other things....

Documents filed today in Clay County Circuit Court said police took blankets, toys and articles of clothing from the house on North Lister, as well as rolls of tape and a tape dispenser

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/21...#ixzz1bSHQYZUE

If they're tearing out carpet that means they've found something. They don't just do that at random.

ReynardMuldrake · 10-21-2011, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief

I know a body starts decomposing almost immediately but I can’t think of what it is the dogs would be picking up on. Of course I’m thinking of this as a human and dogs have something like 10,000X the sensory receptors in their noses than we do.
Now I have heard of the water thing, saw a show where they explained how they did it. Put the dog in the bow of a boat and when it triggered they approached the same location from a different direction, after the dog triggered several times in the same location they sent a diver down and sure enough there it was.

That's pretty crazy about the water. In the movies you can always pass through water to shake a dog off your trail, I wonder if that's an urban legend?

Stewie · 10-21-2011, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake

That's pretty crazy about the water. In the movies you can always pass through water to shake a dog off your trail, I wonder if that's an urban legend?

Having a dead body under water is different than a live person running through water to lose the scent.

Radar Chief · 10-21-2011, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake

That's pretty crazy about the water. In the movies you can always pass through water to shake a dog off your trail, I wonder if that's an urban legend?

I don’t know enough about trailing dogs to say but I would think the ground scenting dog would be more likely to get shaken off the trail by crossing water than an air scenting dog.

TheGuardian · 10-21-2011, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie

Having a dead body under water is different than a live person running through water to lose the scent.

Yes, it's an urban legend. Dogs actually track the dead skin cells that fall off of you. The water doesn't do a thing to prevent this and it floats right on top of the water. If I am remembering correctly.

Radar Chief · 10-21-2011, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Yes, it's an urban legend. Dogs actually track the dead skin cells that fall off of you. The water doesn't do a thing to prevent this and it floats right on top of the water. If I am remembering correctly.

Thats at least part of it but there's more I think.
I was watching Dog 101 a week or two ago and they were showing a blood hound getting its police trail dog certification and this dog trailed a guy that jumped in a car, drove accross town and sat down on the beach which is where the dog found him. So this dog continued trailing a guy that was in a car. How? Got me.

Fish · 10-21-2011, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief

Thats at least part of it but there's more I think.
I was watching Dog 101 a week or two ago and they were showing a blood hound getting its police trail dog certification and this dog trailed a guy that jumped in a car, drove accross town and sat down on the beach which is where the dog found him. So this dog continued trailing a guy that was in a car. How? Got me.

Wow...

And what's really scary... a bear has an even better sense of smell than a blood hound.

Stewie · 10-21-2011, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief

Thats at least part of it but there's more I think.
I was watching Dog 101 a week or two ago and they were showing a blood hound getting its police trail dog certification and this dog trailed a guy that jumped in a car, drove accross town and sat down on the beach which is where the dog found him. So this dog continued trailing a guy that was in a car. How? Got me.

That's probably TV hyperbole. Although! When I was working on the farm as a kid we went to a grain elevator that was 30-ish miles away. Our working dog Brownie jumped out of the truck when we got there and we searched and searched for her but gave up. We drove back to the farm and two days later she showed up. Smart girl!

Demonpenz · 10-21-2011, 08:16 PM

I probably wouldn't trust anything on tv. Mohillbilly Bwana or Big Daddy would probably have stories.

RINGLEADER · 10-21-2011, 11:56 PM

Not sure what to make of this but anyone stupid enough to go on national television and admit things that contradict what they told the cops is probably dumb enough to kill their own child for some needless and bizarre reason.

Kind of strange to see this happen when I spent so much of my youth in that area -- it's a couple blocks from where my grandparents lived. Used to go to the ice cream joint near Chouteau and Parvin about .25 mile from where all this is happening.

**wazu** · 10-22-2011, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

Kind of strange to see this happen when I spent so much of my youth in that area -- it's a couple blocks from where my grandparents lived. Used to go to the ice cream joint near Chouteau and Parvin about .25 mile from where all this is happening.

Sounds like it might be worth bringing you in for questioning.

aturnis · 10-22-2011, 07:34 AM

So does this Cadaver dog hitting inside the house have anything to do with little Lisa? I ask because I was doing some research on cadaver dogs last night, and some dogs got positive hits at a WWII aircraft crash site some 63yrs. after it went down. So has anyone ever died inside that house before? Previous elderly owners?

Who knows right now, I think it'd be an injustice not to do your due diligence in that area. Especially with two eye witnesses seeing "the same man" carrying a baby in a diaper at 4:00am...

ReynardMuldrake · 10-22-2011, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

So does this Cadaver dog hitting inside the house have anything to do with little Lisa? I ask because I was doing some research on cadaver dogs last night, and some dogs got positive hits at a WWII aircraft crash site some 63yrs. after it went down. So has anyone ever died inside that house before? Previous elderly owners?

Who knows right now, I think it'd be an injustice not to do your due diligence in that area. Especially with two eye witnesses seeing "the same man" carrying a baby in a diaper at 4:00am...

Yeah, the location of the 'hit' is so strange [bedroom floor?] that you have to wonder. Maybe the previous owner died in bed and went undiscovered for a while?

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RINGLEADER In Search of a Life Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Confusion, USA Casino cash: $8590503	Not sure what to make of this but anyone stupid enough to go on national television and admit things that contradict what they told the cops is probably dumb enough to kill their own child for some needless and bizarre reason. Kind of strange to see this happen when I spent so much of my youth in that area -- it's a couple blocks from where my grandparents lived. Used to go to the ice cream joint near Chouteau and Parvin about .25 mile from where all this is happening.
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aturnis MVP Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Iowa Casino cash: $9975811	So does this Cadaver dog hitting inside the house have anything to do with little Lisa? I ask because I was doing some research on cadaver dogs last night, and some dogs got positive hits at a WWII aircraft crash site some 63yrs. after it went down. So has anyone ever died inside that house before? Previous elderly owners? Who knows right now, I think it'd be an injustice not to do your due diligence in that area. Especially with two eye witnesses seeing "the same man" carrying a baby in a diaper at 4:00am...
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