Game of Thrones (spoiler-free zone)

[keg in kc]

A few have suggested it, might as well test the waters. The idea is to give people who haven't read the books a safe place to talk about the show.

A few quick ground rules:

• No Spoilers!!!!! for upcoming episodes.
• Larger Song of Ice and Fire discussion should be limited to the other thread although I think a tiny bit of book delving to fill in holes should be okay (example of this would be talking about Catelyn and her treatment of the wolves in the novel, which was alluded to on TV but never really made clear...)
• Everything that happened that week is fair game once an episode airs. So if you don't watch on Sunday night, I'd stay outta here until you do...

[KevB]

Originally Posted by KCtotheSB

Davos falls off the top of the Wall.
Tyrion is eaten by a dragon.

Any other characters you like?

Davos could actually die exactly that way, committing suicide after his second child (it seemed he considered Shireen as much) dies.

For Tyrion, it would be a hell of a way to go.

[KCUnited]

Brutal episode.

Incest, incest rape, plain ol rape, child exploitation, child abuse, child sacrifice, child murder, and that atonement walk was still the most unsettling scene in the show for me. Even the real life logistics of the scene, which had to include 100's if not 1000s of people on set, is amazing to think about. Just brutal. In keeping true with the show though, they manage to make you feel for a deplorable character by making you hate another group even more. Great stuff all the way around last night.

What's next GoT? Ghost turned out by the Thenns now that Snow is dead?

[mr. tegu]

Melisandre always says kings blood shows her things. Maybe she saw something with Snow when they burned Shireen and went back realizing if she helps him that is the true person to be backing.

[eDave]

Shame. Ding, ding, ding.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

I'd be surprised if the payoff is satisfying at all.

Highly suspect that these are the words destined to be carved into your tombstone one day.



Anyway, yeah, me and the Mrs. were none too pleased to see Jon bleeding out on the ground. As soon as they called for him, I felt sure it was a death sentence trap.

I really do hope that others are right in Melisandre bringing him back. Have to figure time is a factor on her ability to bring him back, heck, I dunno.

No idea what happens with Arya now. I found her travels lately to be boring, but it was satisfying to watch her kill that SOB.

Damn shame Drogon couldn't get his ass up to get Danys the **** outta the middle of nowhere. I don't remember exactly why the Dothraki would turn against her. Guess without daddy badass, they lost respect. I still like her more than most, so I hate the thought of her getting raped and brutalized.. though her nudity is always a plus.

Myrcella dying (assume she will) is the only time a Lannister falls that doesn't make me smile. At least it will further crush Cersei.

I like what reek did and is doing for Sansa, but no matter what, he can not atone for his crimes.

BRING BACK JON SNOW !!!!

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by KevB

The problem this time around is that they haven't really set up anyone else to step in as the quasi good guy. I realize this isn't really about good vs. evil, but we still find ourselves rooting for those that seem to lean to the good side. They've always had someone to step in next when they kill off the really interesting characters. Boltons? Nope. Dorn? No way. The wall? Not really, but maybe Davos I guess. Tyrion is still great, but I'm struggling to find characters I'm really invested in with Dorn, Myreen and The Wall not bearing much fruit at this point. I'm sure they have a plan, and I'll look forward to next season as usual.

Right. I agree

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I would say that, to my recollection, the BIG events that would be considered spoilers have all been revealed now (ending with Cersei's walk and Jon's situation). There are still a few plot points in the books that could possibly be played out in the show, but I can't recall any major events at this point that would be an "OMG I wish I hadn't known that!" rather than a "Huh - that's different than what I saw in the show" kind of deal. In terms of plotlines that are 1) reasonably intact and 2) played out in the books...

• The Old Town storyline exists in the books (albeit in a different order of events), so book readers will know some about what happens there.
• Blinded Arya happens in the books, again in a different point in the timeline.

I'd ask a couple other book readers to chime in since I'm pretty fuzzy on the books after a few years, but as I'd think you'd be safe as long as you're OK with reading speculation about what could possibly happen that is based on more detail (or different details) than were shown on TV, as well as lots of discussion about how the books were different than the show.

The books are somewhat ahead of the show in King's Landing. There are some events post-Cercei's walk that occur. Note, importantly, that in the books Varys is NOT with Tyrion. Instead he is operating from the shadows in King's Landing, having gone missing immediately after Tywin's death.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by GloucesterChief

So, I ask again. Who am I supposed to be rooting for? Cause the likable people aren't winning.

Maybe if there was more Baelish.....

Pretty much how I feel. It is hard to stay invested when all the people you like die.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Pretty much how I feel. It is hard to stay invested when all the people you like die.

I can't promise a good and happy outcome. I serious cannot. But I will say this -- it's almost certainly NOT as bleak as it currently appears.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

This is feeling more like LOST and less like Lord of the Rings.

I'd be surprised if the payoff is satisfying at all.

Yep. It's a sign of bad writing. Anyone can make up mysterious storylines filled with clues and intrigue. But if you have no idea where it's going things fall apart quickly.

That's what happened to Lost around season 4 and it was never able to recover.

[BigRichard]

Originally Posted by Bambi

Yep. It's a sign of bad writing. Anyone can make up mysterious storylines filled with clues and intrigue. But if you have no idea where it's going things fall apart quickly.

That's what happened to Lost around season 4 and it was never able to recover.

Just so you know the story is already written. GRRM actually has the entire series written out and the shows writers already know all of it. That was part of the agreement when they did the show. They already know how everything turns out, it is just a matter of how to get there that they may make a few changes.

I supposed they could make a change to how everything turns out as well but I don't think that is their plan.

edit: And when I say he has it written out it is more of an outline than having it all written out.

[Sandy Vagina]

[Amnorix]

When Myrcella was poisoned, this is the line I was thinking of -- "We don't hurt little girls in Dorne..."


What's the rest of that sentence? "Unless they are at least 100 feet offshore"? "Until they turn of legal age, and then, BOOM!"?

[BigRichard]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

When Myrcella was poisoned, this is the line I was thinking of -- "We don't hurt little girls in Dorne..."


What's the rest of that sentence? "Unless they are at least 100 feet offshore"? "Until they turn of legal age, and then, BOOM!"?

I am curious if they are working on their own still. You notice he wasn't sitting there in his cart afterwards.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by BigRichard

I am curious if they are working on their own still. You notice he wasn't sitting there in his cart afterwards.

Good question. I thought that "nod" between the Prince and whatshername was the signal, but perhaps it was more a "play nice" nod.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btDlu-zraWA



P.S. Isn't the Prince of Dorne on that same ship? In killing Myrcella, they pretty much sentenced him to death also if so. Seems politically stupid, and therefore more likely to indicate that you are right -- these are the idiotic Sand Snakes doing what they do).