Chiefs Quarterback Competition? (from Gretz) - Page 4

chiefzilla1501 · 03-23-2012, 05:07 PM

http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-footb...p-ochiefs.html

Great article by Gretz. Explains the outrage over the QB situation.

If Romeo and Pioli were genuine about wanting a QB competition, they wouldn't be telling the world about who our starting QB is. There's clearly an indescribable boner fest for a QB who's not very good.

chiefzilla1501 · 03-24-2012, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

What is the fixation with Carr on CP? Was he a really good player? Yes, is he the backbone of the defense? No.

And despite all the homer ball washing Routt has been rated a better player the last 3 years. You simply can't ignore that unless you just want to bitch just to bitch.

Could the be a drop off this season? Maybe but it will only be slight barring a huge shift in career direction for Routt.

I predict with the return of Berry the defense and secondary will be even better this year and won't be the weak link. Quit your ****ing whining about Carr.

Carr is 3 years younger. Routt will be 29 this season. How many years does he have left? Yeah, we saved money, but if you lock up Carr to what ended up being a reasonable contract, you have the position locked up for the next 7-8 years.

Which is what we need. Because we don't have a QB today. We're not winning a Super Bowl within the window Routt is playing at his peak in.

beach tribe · 03-24-2012, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Absolutely no guessing that you are a the biggest dumbass on the BB

Irony explosion

beach tribe · 03-24-2012, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Carr is 3 years younger. Routt will be 29 this season. How many years does he have left? Yeah, we saved money, but if you lock up Carr to what ended up being a reasonable contract, you have the position locked up for the next 7-8 years.

Which is what we need. Because we don't have a QB today. We're not winning a Super Bowl within the window Routt is playing at his peak in.

Well if your estimation of having the position locked up for the next 7-8 years is correct, then Routt should have it locked up for the next 4-5 years...right?

whoman69 · 03-24-2012, 11:54 AM

Cornerbacks usually do not have much success after 30 when they start to slow down, much like receivers. There are exceptions of course. If they have the size they sometimes make the switch to safety.

**J Diddy** · 03-24-2012, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Carr is 3 years younger. Routt will be 29 this season. How many years does he have left? Yeah, we saved money, but if you lock up Carr to what ended up being a reasonable contract, you have the position locked up for the next 7-8 years.

Which is what we need. Because we don't have a QB today. We're not winning a Super Bowl within the window Routt is playing at his peak in.

I don't get how you get locking the position up for 7-8 years from him signing a 5 year contract.

Messier · 03-24-2012, 11:56 AM

I wish we had Carr, but we knew he was going to get over paid, and he is. I wouldn't have wanted the Chiefs to pay him what he got, that would have been a questionable move. Having two of the highest paid CBs in the NFL would be spending in the wrong place. Flowers and Routt are still a good Cb tandem.

bricks · 03-24-2012, 01:57 PM

I don't understand why people are still caught up and concerned over the loss of Carr?
Yeah he was a good corner, but he wasn't worth #1 CB money. Stanford Routt is good #2 corner. Plus, We will have a better passrush this year and healthy Berry back. This should be plenty to makeup for the loss of Carr.

I think we need to get out of the rut, think positive and move on.

**The Bad Guy** · 03-24-2012, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan50/50

Bullshit.

Hamas found a convenient way to bail after getting massacred on this message board.

If that's what you think you small dicked bundle of sticks.

He honored his word about a Bronco bet.

Hamas could not post here for 10 years and he'd still be a more valuable asset to this board than you.

**BossChief** · 03-24-2012, 02:55 PM

Everybody, remove the emotions from the equation.

Would you rather have

A) Brandon Carr

Or

B) Stanford Routt, a third round comp pick and Peyton Hillis or Kevin Boss

I'll take option b without question.

That's basically what this equates to in the end.

Carr got 10/yr
Routt got 6.5/yr
Boss and Hillis got 3/yr each
We are following the guidelines to receive a 3rd round comp pick from having him walk.

I hate to say it, but letting Carr walk was absolutely the right move for this franchise.

tk13 · 03-24-2012, 03:09 PM

CB's don't win Super Bowls. And teams that load up on them never seen to succeed. Look at the Eagles last year... or when the Chiefs got Law and Surtain. Didn't make a lick of difference. Meanwhile teams like the Giants, Pats and Steelers win titles with CB's most people couldn't name, and in New England they play offensive players at CB. You have to rush the passer. And that's probably even more true now since CB's can't do anything to WR's anyway.

**BossChief** · 03-24-2012, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

CB's don't win Super Bowls. And teams that load up on them never seen to succeed. Look at the Eagles last year... or when the Chiefs got Law and Surtain. Didn't make a lick of difference. Meanwhile teams like the Giants, Pats and Steelers win titles with CB's most people couldn't name, and in New England they play offensive players at CB. You have to rush the passer. And that's probably even more true now since CB's can't do anything to WR's anyway.

Good post.

Only part I differ on is that having a good secondary can give your pass rush more time to get to the quarterback and vice versa, they feed off each other.

chiefzilla1501 · 03-24-2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Everybody, remove the emotions from the equation.

Would you rather have

A) Brandon Carr

Or

B) Stanford Routt, a third round comp pick and Peyton Hillis or Kevin Boss

I'll take option b without question.

That's basically what this equates to in the end.

Carr got 10/yr
Routt got 6.5/yr
Boss and Hillis got 3/yr each
We are following the guidelines to receive a 3rd round comp pick from having him walk.

I hate to say it, but letting Carr walk was absolutely the right move for this franchise.

If we werecrunched against the cap, yes. Peytom Hillis in particular... His contract disappears after this year.

chiefzilla1501 · 03-24-2012, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bricks

I don't understand why people are still caught up and concerned over the loss of Carr?
Yeah he was a good corner, but he wasn't worth #1 CB money. Stanford Routt is good #2 corner. Plus, We will have a better passrush this year and healthy Berry back. This should be plenty to makeup for the loss of Carr.

I think we need to get out of the rut, think positive and move on.

Because this team got cheap in a year where they have an extraordinary amount of cap space to spend. Some may call this a bargain buy. No matter which way you cut it, this was about money. And the money wasn't even outrageous.

**The Bad Guy** · 03-24-2012, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Everybody, remove the emotions from the equation.

Would you rather have

A) Brandon Carr

Or

B) Stanford Routt, a third round comp pick and Peyton Hillis or Kevin Boss

I'll take option b without question.

That's basically what this equates to in the end.

Carr got 10/yr
Routt got 6.5/yr
Boss and Hillis got 3/yr each
We are following the guidelines to receive a 3rd round comp pick from having him walk.

I hate to say it, but letting Carr walk was absolutely the right move for this franchise.

Absolutely it was.

You can't pay a 2nd corner 10 mill a year. No way.

Carr was a nice luxury. I'm not a Routt fan, but I trust the secondary coaches we have, along with Romeo to get the most out of him. The Raiders DC last year was dog shit.

**The Bad Guy** · 03-24-2012, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Because this team got cheap in a year where they have an extraordinary amount of cap space to spend. Some may call this a bargain buy. No matter which way you cut it, this was about money. And the money wasn't even outrageous.

So because they have money, you think spending about 18 million a year in 2 starting corners is a wise move?

That's bullshit logic. Just because you have money to spend, doesn't mean that you should tie up a player at an undesirable number. The Chiefs obviously don't feel that Carr = Flowers so why are they going to give Carr more than Flowers?

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03-24-2012, 11:56 AM	#51
Messier MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Casino cash: $10005050	I wish we had Carr, but we knew he was going to get over paid, and he is. I wouldn't have wanted the Chiefs to pay him what he got, that would have been a questionable move. Having two of the highest paid CBs in the NFL would be spending in the wrong place. Flowers and Routt are still a good Cb tandem.
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bricks Hey Teacher! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: land of maple syrup Casino cash: $9902559	I don't understand why people are still caught up and concerned over the loss of Carr? Yeah he was a good corner, but he wasn't worth #1 CB money. Stanford Routt is good #2 corner. Plus, We will have a better passrush this year and healthy Berry back. This should be plenty to makeup for the loss of Carr. I think we need to get out of the rut, think positive and move on.
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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1844088	Everybody, remove the emotions from the equation. Would you rather have A) Brandon Carr Or B) Stanford Routt, a third round comp pick and Peyton Hillis or Kevin Boss I'll take option b without question. That's basically what this equates to in the end. Carr got 10/yr Routt got 6.5/yr Boss and Hillis got 3/yr each We are following the guidelines to receive a 3rd round comp pick from having him walk. I hate to say it, but letting Carr walk was absolutely the right move for this franchise. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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03-24-2012, 03:09 PM	#55
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1952500	CB's don't win Super Bowls. And teams that load up on them never seen to succeed. Look at the Eagles last year... or when the Chiefs got Law and Surtain. Didn't make a lick of difference. Meanwhile teams like the Giants, Pats and Steelers win titles with CB's most people couldn't name, and in New England they play offensive players at CB. You have to rush the passer. And that's probably even more true now since CB's can't do anything to WR's anyway.
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