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Old 03-11-2011, 07:35 PM  
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Japan going Chernobyl <-original thread i got banned for. thanks idiot mods.
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Old 03-15-2011, 03:09 PM   #571
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This is a bit interesting to monitor...

Tokyo Geiger counters... yesterday this was under 11. Currently 18.54
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Yesterday this one was under 12. Currently 28.27
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Old 03-15-2011, 03:10 PM   #572
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Mexican News station reporting that two more explosions just occurred right now. Haven't found anything on it yet.
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Old 03-15-2011, 03:11 PM   #573
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reported that he tasted metal in his mouth and felt "pins and needles" all over his body.
Wierd, that is exactly what I felt like when I had a the dye during an MRI. Thought I had peed myself as well. Not a pleasant experience
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Old 03-15-2011, 03:11 PM   #574
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No, it isn't. One of the first men to die of radiation poisoning, a guy named Slotin who worked on the Manhattan Project, reported that he tasted metal in his mouth and felt "pins and needles" all over his body. The body responds in a strange (almost instant severe vomiting) and then the body fills with fluid. Not a pleasant way to go.

Slotin was actually performing criticality experiments at the time. Two sub-critical pieces that he was keeping apart with a fucking screwdriver. Something happened and the two pieces got too close and went prompt critical. Believe or not, he removed the two pieces with his bare hands. He died a week later.
Bit amazing that we didn't blow ourselves up, really...
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Bit amazing that we didn't blow ourselves up, really...
You probably know this, but Enrico Fermi was taking bets before Trinity, about whether the test would set fire to the atmosphere and destroy just New Mexico or the entire world.
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Old 03-15-2011, 03:19 PM   #578
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Right, I get all that.

My only point, and I think I'm talking past you guys, is that if the only reason the plant is having trouble is because it lacks POWER to operate the cooling system -- and it would have power if it hadn't SCRAMed -- then the problem is (inadvertently of course) self-induced to a degree.

But I agree that (1) you have to SCRAM, as the risk for the alternative worse case scenario is massively worse, and (2) that if ANYTHING at else threw the cooling system off kilter -- mechanical failures or whatever, then SCRAMming saved the day.

I ntoe also that even if the tsunami ONLY affected the deisel backups, that running a nuclear power plant fully operational without any backup system in place is, ummm, not so bright to say the least.
That's been my thought all along.

If they don't SCRAM, do they still have the power necessary to run the coolant system? Or did the earthquake and resulting tsunami do enough on its own that the coolant system would've still been knocked out due to mechanical faults, thus leaving a 'live' reactor unchecked?

It's less like the NASCAR analogy and more like a wave-runner. If anyone's ever driven one, they know that the things are essentially run and steered by a ram-jet for water. Now, if you get yourself into a perilous situation your first instinct is to come off the throttle. Unfortunately, you lose the ability to steer when you have no throttle and you end up coasting onto the shore and hurting yourself.

So the question is: Would you have hit the shore anyway had you kept the throttle down and steered away from the beach? By shutting the throttle down, you lessened the speed you hit the dirt in and may have made the damage less extensive. However, had you kept in the throttle and turned away from it, maybe you don't even hit the beach at all.

It sounds to me like the SCRAM took the best (missing the beach) and worst (hitting it at 60 mph) case scenarios out of the equation and just left you with a guaranteed pretty lousy scenario (hitting it at 30 mph).

Then again, my guess is the policy of SCRAMing in the event of a major natural disaster will yield positive results over large numbers, so I can't really fault them for the decision.
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You probably know this, but Enrico Fermi was taking bets before Trinity, about whether the test would set fire to the atmosphere and destroy just New Mexico or the entire world.
Yeah, I remember that.
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Then again, my guess is the policy of SCRAMing in the event of a major natural disaster will yield positive results over large numbers, so I can't really fault them for the decision.

I agree with your post, but I agree with THIS times the proverbial eleventy billion.
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US surgeon general states that those on the US West Coast buying iodine tablets is a "worthy precaution".

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Yeah, I'd say the slim chance of completely avoiding disaster was so small that the best case solution would be to SCRAM, because if they hadn't the worst case scenario would have been far worse.

I wonder did they SCRAM all of the reactors? Or just the active ones 1,2 & 3?
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US surgeon general states that those on the US West Coast buying iodine tablets is a "worthy precaution".

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Nothing I read is every remotely good.

I now see that they believe that reactor 5 may have boiling water. Which suggests cooling problems, the potential for exposure, and meltdown, blah, blah, blah.

So even the reactors that were inactive at the time of the quake are in serious danger, apparently.

As far as I can tell, there are SEVEN potential problems -- Reactors 1-6 and the spent fuel pool near/in Reactor 4. Christ.
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Yeah, I'd say the slim chance of completely avoiding disaster was so small that the best case solution would be to SCRAM, because if they hadn't the worst case scenario would have been far worse.

I wonder did they SCRAM all of the reactors? Or just the active ones 1,2 & 3?
Just the active ones. SCRAM is an emergency shutdown.
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