Chiefs I like Herm's method better... - Page 4

kcbubb · 05-27-2009, 09:24 AM

I would rather play with a bunch of young players and develop them than sign a bunch of old guys if we know that we are going to be bad. Most people seem to believe that the Chiefs are going to be lucky to win six games.

If that is the case, why not look for the next Brandon Carr, Mark Bradley or Mike Cox??? It's hard to find those guys if they don't get a chance to play.

Why are we wasting this valuable playing time on players like Zach Thomas, Mike Vrabel, Mike Goff, and Bobby Engram??? I am sure that they will contribute and play well for the Chiefs at times.

If we were a team that were close to making a playoff run, I would welcome the addition of the older players, but the Chiefs are still developing their roster especially with the change to the 3-4.

If we are going to be bad, I would really rather see Brian Johnston play rather than Vrabel. And I would rather see Quinten Lawrence play rather than Engram.

Or are you one that believes that these older players provide valuable leadership???

beach tribe · 05-27-2009, 10:12 AM

You don't piss seasons away in today's NFL. It instills a losing culture in your franchise. WINNING breeds Winning. You can bet your ass Haley, and Pioli are going to try and win as many games as possible this season. You want to know why?? We have players on this team who have experienced a 4 win, then a 2 win season.
A 6-7 win season would be a HUGE boost to these guys egos, and send them into the next season feeling as though they can build on that, and improve even more.
None of these players had any faith in Herm, or this team. Except Brian Waters. Herm's yes man, and the fake ass leader that he is.

ALSO. they don't want to be picking that high ever again. Nobody does until the rookie contracts situation is fixed.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-27-2009, 10:14 AM

This poll is flawed. It assumes Herm had a method.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-27-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

You don't piss seasons away in today's NFL. It instills a losing culture in your franchise. WINNING breeds Winning. You can bet your ass Haley, and Pioli are going to try and win as many games as possible this season. You want to know why?? We have players on this team who have experienced a 4 win, then a 2 win season.
A 6-7 win season would be a HUGE boost to these guys egos, and send them into the next season feeling as though they can build on that, and improve even more.
None of these players had any faith in Herm, or this team. Except Brian Waters. Herm's yes man, and the fake ass leader that he is.

ALSO. they don't want to be picking that high ever again. Nobody does until the rookie contracts situation is fixed.

Excellent, excellent post, BT.

kcbubb · 05-27-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

You. Just. Don't. Get. It.

Go read Patriot Reign (I'm making a large assumption that you can read) and maybe you'll start to understand, but I'm not optimistic that you will.

BTW, James Harrison sat on the bench for 4 years in Pittsburgh before starting in 2007.

Harrison was a street free agent in 2004.

I would rather sign a guy like him who was 27 in 2004 and take a chance.

What's not to understand??? This isn't rocket science. I know it's a long shot. And I know that the Chiefs may suck in the process, but you can't say that playing time isn't important in developing players.

But you really have no chance with an old player. A long shot is better than no chance.

**DaKCMan AP** · 05-27-2009, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

Harrison was a street free agent in 2004.

He was an UDFA with Pittsburgh in 2002 and then brought back as a backup in 2004 and remained a backup for 4 years. What you're wanting to do is bring in some nobody and start them immediately.

DaWolf · 05-27-2009, 10:17 AM

Just because a guy is young doesn't mean the guy is good. This is why we got into the hole we are in today. If the young guy we have can beat out the veteran, great. Otherwise, why not have veterans there to challenge and push the young guys, especially the ones that suck but you don't know it yet?

kcbubb · 05-27-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

You don't piss seasons away in today's NFL. It instills a losing culture in your franchise. WINNING breeds Winning. You can bet your ass Haley, and Pioli are going to try and win as many games as possible this season. You want to know why?? We have players on this team who have experienced a 4 win, then a 2 win season.
A 6-7 win season would be a HUGE boost to these guys egos, and send them into the next season feeling as though they can build on that, and improve even more.
None of these players had any faith in Herm, or this team. Except Brian Waters. Herm's yes man, and the fake ass leader that he is.

ALSO. they don't want to be picking that high ever again. Nobody does until the rookie contracts situation is fixed.

I really don't see how that is any different from what we had in Carl Peterson.

Get a veteran QB. And sign a bunch of vets to fill your holes. How is that not just like Carl Peterson's strategy for years????

Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-27-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

I really don't see how that is any different from what we had in Carl Peterson.

Get a veteran QB. And sign a bunch of vets to fill your holes. How is that not just like Carl Peterson's strategy for years????

They don't have or get 5-year contracts. They are stop gaps, not long term solutions.

**Dave Lane** · 05-27-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

why not try to fill them now??? is engram or thomas going to be here next year? why wait?

that's my point, why not try to find a guy that can fill those spots that could have a future and then you may have one less hole to fill or maybe even a little depth if you have to upgrade.

Seriously, are you being ironic, obtuse or a moran? THEY DID TRY TO FILL THOSE SPOTS!

You just don't like who they choose. Put your own list together of who they should have taken based on who is available on the street right now.

beach tribe · 05-27-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

I really don't see how that is any different from what we had in Carl Peterson.

Get a veteran QB. And sign a bunch of vets to fill your holes. How is that not just like Carl Peterson's strategy for years????

Peterson HAD to sign FAs to keep the team competitive because he missed on so many draft picks. RIGHT NOW we are completely devoid of talent...........because peterson missed on so many draft picks.
We have no choice but to sign veteran FAs if we expect to win more than 2 fricken games. Once pioli has a few drafts to fill out the roster, we will be using FA for the final pieces. Not to cover our ass because none of our draft picks are even on an NFL roster, much less starting on our team.

kcbubb · 05-27-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Seriously, are you being ironic, obtuse or a moran? THEY DID TRY TO FILL THOSE SPOTS!

You just don't like who they choose. Put your own list together of who they should have taken based on who is available on the street right now.

I don't mind them signing free agents. I just don't like them signing guys that are that old and won't help the team win next year because they have no chance of even being on the team.

**Buehler445** · 05-27-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

I don't mind them signing free agents. I just don't like them signing guys that are that old and won't help the team win next year because they have no chance of even being on the team.

I'd venture a guess that most guys on the street right now won't be on the team either.
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Mr. Krab · 05-27-2009, 10:37 AM

You need some experience until you have a young guy step up.

Just Passin' By · 05-27-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

I don't mind them signing free agents. I just don't like them signing guys that are that old and won't help the team win next year because they have no chance of even being on the team.

So you were all for dumping Gonzalez then, right?

**Rain Man** · 05-27-2009, 11:07 AM

Whatever Pioli wants, I want.

View Poll Results: Would you rather play the older guys or look for younger players to contribute?
We need the older guys. They provide valuable leadership.	85	82.52%
We shouldn't have signed the older guys, we should find and develop younger players and let them play.	18	17.48%
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05-27-2009, 09:24 AM
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $6106719	I like Herm's method better... I would rather play with a bunch of young players and develop them than sign a bunch of old guys if we know that we are going to be bad. Most people seem to believe that the Chiefs are going to be lucky to win six games. If that is the case, why not look for the next Brandon Carr, Mark Bradley or Mike Cox??? It's hard to find those guys if they don't get a chance to play. Why are we wasting this valuable playing time on players like Zach Thomas, Mike Vrabel, Mike Goff, and Bobby Engram??? I am sure that they will contribute and play well for the Chiefs at times. If we were a team that were close to making a playoff run, I would welcome the addition of the older players, but the Chiefs are still developing their roster especially with the change to the 3-4. If we are going to be bad, I would really rather see Brian Johnston play rather than Vrabel. And I would rather see Quinten Lawrence play rather than Engram. Or are you one that believes that these older players provide valuable leadership???
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05-27-2009, 10:12 AM	#46
beach tribe Keep doubting J MFing Houston Join Date: May 2007 Location: ft.lauderdale Casino cash: $4828036	You don't piss seasons away in today's NFL. It instills a losing culture in your franchise. WINNING breeds Winning. You can bet your ass Haley, and Pioli are going to try and win as many games as possible this season. You want to know why?? We have players on this team who have experienced a 4 win, then a 2 win season. A 6-7 win season would be a HUGE boost to these guys egos, and send them into the next season feeling as though they can build on that, and improve even more. None of these players had any faith in Herm, or this team. Except Brian Waters. Herm's yes man, and the fake ass leader that he is. ALSO. they don't want to be picking that high ever again. Nobody does until the rookie contracts situation is fixed.
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DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	Just because a guy is young doesn't mean the guy is good. This is why we got into the hole we are in today. If the young guy we have can beat out the veteran, great. Otherwise, why not have veterans there to challenge and push the young guys, especially the ones that suck but you don't know it yet?
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