Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 491

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Prison Bitch · 07-21-2013, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Also, Profar is struggling just as badly as Esky at this point.

He's 10x the player Escobar is. I cannot stand watching Alcides Berroa swing the bat.

Prison Bitch · 07-21-2013, 07:31 PM

Tampa 16-2 run now. Should've traded Myers for Andrew Friedman

Brianfo · 07-21-2013, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

There is no chance we are going to catch either DET or CLE. ****ing sell already and let's get it going.i

Pretty much this. Sell. And noonoe is off limits save Gordon and Salvy.

Nightfyre · 07-21-2013, 08:19 PM

Hos should be off-limits at this juncture, imo.

CoMoChief · 07-21-2013, 08:20 PM

Dayton will not sell. His contract expires after next season...he's going to give it one last shot...I think Santana is re-signed going into next season...we'll try this again, this time hopefully without Getz or Franceour. When coaches start getting replaced (Brett coming in) and veterans start getting sent down for assignments (Franceour) the writing is on the wall IMO. I think we sign another pitcher via FA heading into next season to compliment Duffy returning at full strength next season...hopefully when it's time to trade Shields and Santana, then Ventura and Zimmer will be waiting to take over. Might be a pipe dream though.

Shields
Santana
Duffy

Not sure what we'd be able to get out of Billy Butler. I'm all for selling him if it means another SP. Try and trade or sign Raul Ibanez as a DH as a stop gap and just hope he doesn't need a wheelchair next season. All the mother****er has done this season is sit his fat ****ing ass on the bench, been a liability on the base path and pops out a lot. Didn't Butler set a major league record a couple seasons ago for most double plays hit into? (horrible phrasing I know).

Butler is a good hitter, with "some" power....but he can't lift the ball out of the park like these other sluggers around the league can. And it's not because of the ballpark we play in...that's so much bullshit. This guy can't even top 30HR's. None of our guys can. 30HR's in this day in age isn't shit anymore folks. It's ****ing sickening. We haven't had a 30HR guy since Dye. Beltran did it the year we traded him but so what ..he didn't finish the season w/ us so what good does it to include him in that conversation?

We've sold our souls w/ these little dick 20-25HR guys like Sweeney, Guillen, and now Butler ...and probably Hosmer Gordon and Moose when it's all said and done. This team has no ****ing power. Just little league small ball baby shit. I'm sick n tired of it. You can't win without hitting the god damn long ball.

**ChiTown** · 07-21-2013, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Hos should be off-limits at this juncture, imo.

The ****? There isn't an untouchable piece on this Roster.

Captain Obvious · 07-21-2013, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

The ****? There isn't an untouchable piece on this Roster.

With his contract and ability I'd say Perez is untouchable.

Nightfyre · 07-21-2013, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

The ****? There isn't an untouchable piece on this Roster.

Hos is cost controlled for the next three years and has hit .290 this year while showing good plate discipline and even starting to get back some pop. If we could get him extended, that would be even better.

Three7s · 07-22-2013, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Dayton will not sell. His contract expires after next season...he's going to give it one last shot...I think Santana is re-signed going into next season...we'll try this again, this time hopefully without Getz or Franceour. When coaches start getting replaced (Brett coming in) and veterans start getting sent down for assignments (Franceour) the writing is on the wall IMO. I think we sign another pitcher via FA heading into next season to compliment Duffy returning at full strength next season...hopefully when it's time to trade Shields and Santana, then Ventura and Zimmer will be waiting to take over. Might be a pipe dream though.

Shields
Santana
Duffy

Not sure what we'd be able to get out of Billy Butler. I'm all for selling him if it means another SP. Try and trade or sign Raul Ibanez as a DH as a stop gap and just hope he doesn't need a wheelchair next season. All the mother****er has done this season is sit his fat ****ing ass on the bench, been a liability on the base path and pops out a lot. Didn't Butler set a major league record a couple seasons ago for most double plays hit into? (horrible phrasing I know).

Butler is a good hitter, with "some" power....but he can't lift the ball out of the park like these other sluggers around the league can. And it's not because of the ballpark we play in...that's so much bullshit. This guy can't even top 30HR's. None of our guys can. 30HR's in this day in age isn't shit anymore folks. It's ****ing sickening. We haven't had a 30HR guy since Dye. Beltran did it the year we traded him but so what ..he didn't finish the season w/ us so what good does it to include him in that conversation?

We've sold our souls w/ these little dick 20-25HR guys like Sweeney, Guillen, and now Butler ...and probably Hosmer Gordon and Moose when it's all said and done. This team has no ****ing power. Just little league small ball baby shit. I'm sick n tired of it. You can't win without hitting the god damn long ball.

I'm not really adding much, but I would like to point out that Francouer's with the Giants if you didn't know already.

**ChiTown** · 07-22-2013, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Hos is cost controlled for the next three years and has hit .290 this year while showing good plate discipline and even starting to get back some pop. If we could get him extended, that would be even better.

Which mkds him tht much more desirable with the right team if we get something of value.

Nightfyre · 07-22-2013, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

Which mkds him tht much more desirable with the right team if we get something of value.

So we're just going to start trading away our prospects as they hit arbitration? How do you EVER expect to win using that model?

Fansy the Famous Bard · 07-22-2013, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

So we're just going to start trading away our prospects as they hit arbitration? How do you EVER expect to win using that model?

It's not about winning anymore, it's about maintaining a feeling of "hope". It's all we know.

Nightfyre · 07-22-2013, 07:28 AM

Also, how is Gordon untouchable when he only has two years of cost control, is heading out of his prime and is performing basically at the same level as Hosmer offensively?

duncan_idaho · 07-22-2013, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

Which mkds him tht much more desirable with the right team if we get something of value.

You're not going to get anything close to equivalent value for Hosmer in moving him at this time. Not that helps you as much as he has the potential to.

I'm still waiting to see how he does over the rest of the season, but he has been a .300/.360/.520 hitter since June 1. Which basically is the hitter everyone thought he could be entering the 2012 season.

You could move him for prospects, but you're not going to get a guy who has a reasonable shot to hit .300/.360/.550 next season, with 30 HR/ 35 2B.

The Royals need that kind of thump to win in 2014, 2015 and 2016.

mr. tegu · 07-22-2013, 07:50 AM

I am surprised at the negativity in here. The Indians and Tigers both lost two of three to start the second half. It was a pretty good weekend for us.

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duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1770308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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07-21-2013, 08:20 PM	#7355
CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $8052254	Dayton will not sell. His contract expires after next season...he's going to give it one last shot...I think Santana is re-signed going into next season...we'll try this again, this time hopefully without Getz or Franceour. When coaches start getting replaced (Brett coming in) and veterans start getting sent down for assignments (Franceour) the writing is on the wall IMO. I think we sign another pitcher via FA heading into next season to compliment Duffy returning at full strength next season...hopefully when it's time to trade Shields and Santana, then Ventura and Zimmer will be waiting to take over. Might be a pipe dream though. Shields Santana Duffy Not sure what we'd be able to get out of Billy Butler. I'm all for selling him if it means another SP. Try and trade or sign Raul Ibanez as a DH as a stop gap and just hope he doesn't need a wheelchair next season. All the mother**er has done this season is sit his fat ing ass on the bench, been a liability on the base path and pops out a lot. Didn't Butler set a major league record a couple seasons ago for most double plays hit into? (horrible phrasing I know). Butler is a good hitter, with "some" power....but he can't lift the ball out of the park like these other sluggers around the league can. And it's not because of the ballpark we play in...that's so much bullshit. This guy can't even top 30HR's. None of our guys can. 30HR's in this day in age isn't shit anymore folks. It's ing sickening. We haven't had a 30HR guy since Dye. Beltran did it the year we traded him but so what ..he didn't finish the season w/ us so what good does it to include him in that conversation? We've sold our souls w/ these little dick 20-25HR guys like Sweeney, Guillen, and now Butler ...and probably Hosmer Gordon and Moose when it's all said and done. This team has no *ing power. Just little league small ball baby shit. I'm sick n tired of it. You can't win without hitting the god damn long ball. __________________ Last edited by CoMoChief; 07-21-2013 at 08:26 PM..*
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