If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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[patteeu]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

It's hard to say. Likely the Smith trade was already in place before Kolb and Arizona couldn't reach an agreement and he got released. Or perhaps Andy just wanted to try a different shiny toy.

I really don't expect Alice to have a better season than Kolb this year. Do you?

Yes. I do.

I also think that with two 2nd round picks to spend that Andy Reid could have easily had Kolb if he wanted him.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Don't you see that to be weak... as a fan?

Think about it in another way. Fred has a girlfriend/wife he loves and adores. She breaks his heart by cheating on him and leaving him for his best friend. Fred mourns for years and each year, swears that he will never love and trust again.

Fred keeps his vow. Fred is now 90 years old... alone... and still miserable.

First: Your scenario is not the same situation. Here's the same situation: Fred has a girl he loves and adores, and she breaks his heart by cheating on him, but he forgives her and takes her back and loves and adores her again. Rinse and repeat several times. Fred still takes her back, but THIS time he needs to see her be faithful to believe she will be faithful. He still loves and adores her, but he is skeptical she will keep her legs closed.

That would be the same scenario.

Second: No, it's not "weak." It's being logical and objective and rejecting blind faith. Being a homer is not a sign of "strength" as a fan. It's just a sign that you're a homer.

Homers are fine. Lots of fans are homers. Fanbases need them.

But I'm not going to apologize for not being one of them, and I doubt any non-homer would.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

First: Your scenario is not the same situation. Here's the same situation: Fred has a girl he loves and adores, and she breaks his heart by cheating on him, but he forgives her and takes her back and loves and adores her again. Rinse and repeat several times. Fred still takes her back, but THIS time he needs to see her be faithful to believe she will be faithful. He still loves and adores her, but he is skeptical she will keep her legs closed.

That would be the same scenario.

Second: No, it's not "weak." It's being logical and objective and rejecting blind faith. Being a homer is not a sign of "strength" as a fan. It's just a sign that you're a homer.

Homers are fine. Lots of fans are homers. Fanbases need them.

But I'm not going to apologize for not being one of them, and I doubt any non-homer would.

That's pretty good... pretty good. I'll let that sink in a bit.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Don't you see that to be weak... as a fan?

Think about it in another way. Fred has a girlfriend/wife he loves and adores. She breaks his heart by cheating on him and leaving him for his best friend. Fred mourns for years and each year, swears that he will never love and trust again.

Fred keeps his vow. Fred is now 90 years old... alone... and still miserable.

Refusal to be fooled is in no way the same as mourning.

We still watch and hope and cheer the good plays.

Fred didn't try anymore
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[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

First: Your scenario is not the same situation. Here's the same situation: Fred has a girl he loves and adores, and she breaks his heart by cheating on him, but he forgives her and takes her back and loves and adores her again. Rinse and repeat several times. Fred still takes her back, but THIS time he needs to see her be faithful to believe she will be faithful. He still loves and adores her, but he is skeptical she will keep her legs closed.

That would be the same scenario.

Second: No, it's not "weak." It's being logical and objective and rejecting blind faith. Being a homer is not a sign of "strength" as a fan. It's just a sign that you're a homer.

Homers are fine. Lots of fans are homers. Fanbases need them.

But I'm not going to apologize for not being one of them, and I doubt any non-homer would.

This. Good post
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[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

That's pretty good... pretty good. I'll let that sink in a bit.

His analogy is flawed too. Instead of the same woman cheating and breaking his heart each time, it's a series of several girls. If it really was the same girl, the guy might be justified by giving up on that one girl, but since it's a different girl each time and since we know there are quite a few great girls out there, it's self-inflicted misery to give up on girls altogether.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Don't you see that to be weak... as a fan?

Think about it in another way. Fred has a girlfriend/wife he loves and adores. She breaks his heart by cheating on him and leaving him for his best friend. Fred mourns for years and each year, swears that he will never love and trust again.

Fred keeps his vow. Fred is now 90 years old... alone... and still miserable.

Weak because we disagree with the decision of the quarterback from this new regime? We may be disgruntled Chiefs fans but we are not weak.



And who are you to judge Fred?

[saphojunkie]

I had this discussion with a friend. He asked if we'd break .500, and I said I thought we would be above .500 but miss the playoffs.

He replied "always the optimist. Is Cassel really worth 6-7 losses and Romeo worth 2-3 losses?"

Hmm, I thought.

Yes.

Yes, they are. Cassel had 6 touchdowns and 21 turnovers in NINE GAMES. How hard do you think the defense was playing when they would force a punt, then Cassel turns the ball over on his own 15 yard line?

I think that Alex Smith is going to make an insane difference in this team's ability to compete on both sides of the ball. It isn't that I am optimistic about Alex Smith - it's that I concretely believe that we have watched a guy not talented enough to be a starting BCS QB try to play professionally for four years.

When we have just a legitimate - not a great, not outstanding... legitimate - QB under center, this team is going to be unrecognizable from the dumpster fire we have watched since ***** took over.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by patteeu

His analogy is flawed too. Instead of the same woman cheating and breaking his heart each time, it's a series of several girls. If it really was the same girl, the guy might be justified by giving up on that one girl, but since it's a different girl each time and since we know there are quite a few great girls out there, it's self-inflicted misery to give up on girls altogether.

Cool! I knew my first premise was right, but needed someone smarter than I to break it down for me.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

And who are you to judge Fred?

Who are any of us to be as opinionated as we are?

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I had this discussion with a friend. He asked if we'd break .500, and I said I thought we would be above .500 but miss the playoffs.

He replied "always the optimist. Is Cassel really worth 6-7 losses and Romeo worth 2-3 losses?"

Hmm, I thought.

Yes.

Yes, they are. Cassel had 6 touchdowns and 21 turnovers in NINE GAMES. How hard do you think the defense was playing when they would force a punt, then Cassel turns the ball over on his own 15 yard line?

I think that Alex Smith is going to make an insane difference in this team's ability to compete on both sides of the ball. It isn't that I am optimistic about Alex Smith - it's that I concretely believe that we have watched a guy not talented enough to be a starting BCS QB try to play professionally for four years.

When we have just a legitimate - not a great, not outstanding... legitimate - QB under center, this team is going to be unrecognizable from the dumpster fire we have watched since ***** took over.

so an 8 year rebuild from the Herm era

4 year rebuild post Herms 2008 picks
4 more years to rebuild those 4 years

8 years of wasting Herms talent evaluation

Bang up job Chiefs football

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I had this discussion with a friend. He asked if we'd break .500, and I said I thought we would be above .500 but miss the playoffs.

He replied "always the optimist. Is Cassel really worth 6-7 losses and Romeo worth 2-3 losses?"

Hmm, I thought.

Yes.

Yes, they are. Cassel had 6 touchdowns and 21 turnovers in NINE GAMES. How hard do you think the defense was playing when they would force a punt, then Cassel turns the ball over on his own 15 yard line?

I think that Alex Smith is going to make an insane difference in this team's ability to compete on both sides of the ball. It isn't that I am optimistic about Alex Smith - it's that I concretely believe that we have watched a guy not talented enough to be a starting BCS QB try to play professionally for four years.

When we have just a legitimate - not a great, not outstanding... legitimate - QB under center, this team is going to be unrecognizable from the dumpster fire we have watched since ***** took over.

awesome attitude!

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

awesome attitude!

Stupid. But awesome!

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Cool! I knew my first premise was right, but needed someone smarter than I to break it down for me.

No, still wrong.

Girl=Chiefs (object of love/affection)
Cheating=trying to win with other team's QB garbage (object exhibiting the same behavior over and over again)

patt's example makes the girl the Chiefs QB.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Cool! I knew my first premise was right, but needed someone smarter than I to break it down for me.

They are all slut whores. We never get to break in our own virgin to begin with. We don't get to pop her cherry and make her blossom into what we want and get a long term relationship with.

What we get with these skanks is it's a wham bam thank you mam and on to the next slut whore that you don't get any satisfaction from because of her gaping wide used vagina.