A ton of Kiper tidbits, some involving the Chiefs.

[Direckshun]

If you're a Kiper hater, PLEASE SKIP THIS THREAD.

Conversations about whether Kiper's an idiot bore the shit out of me.

Enjoy the draft nuggets. That is all.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: Johnny Manziel is the NFL's consensus No. 1 QB http://sbn.to/1aznPXK

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on Seattle: "Everybody doesn't have the array of talent that the Seahawks do. Everybody's going to copy that and I say good luck."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper doesn't think Sammy Watkins will slip past the fifth pick.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
I'll have to go back and listen, but now Kiper just said Breeland is a third or fourth rounder.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on Borland: I don't care how tall he is. He's got great instincts, love his approach. He's going to be a second round pick.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks all three top offensive tackles go in the top 11. He has Robinson No. 2 to St. Louis.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper said the majority of teams have it Robinson, Lewan and Matthews.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Jake Matthews may be slipping a bit because some teams view him as a right tackle.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper mentioned 3rd round for Austin Seferian-Jenkins, which makes me sad.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks the Ravens should look at Eric Ebron in the first round, if he's not there a WR.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Bashaud Breeland of Clemson could go in the second round. Whoa.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
2nd round for Kyle Fuller, 3rd or 4th of Antone Exum.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Logan Thomas could still be a 2nd or 3rd rounder, but he can't play early. Some in the NFL still think he's a 6th rounder.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: Third to fifth round for Michael Sam. Andrew Wilson Day 3. James Franklin UDFA. Day 3 for the Mizzou WRs depending on workouts.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Ealy would fit in New Orleans because he's versatile. But he thinks he'll be a late first round pick.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks there will be a lot of centers and guards in the second round for the Colts to get.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper has Morgan Moses as a late first or early second rounder as a right tackle. Thinks Jack Mewhort is a second rounder.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Zack Martin would be a good pick for Miami and could be in play for Arizona. Cyrus Kouandjio in that range as well.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper says Kelcy Quarles is gaining a lot of momentum and could be a mid second round pick and may rise higher.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
@ChrisBurke_SI That's the oddest part of this call.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper said a lot of teams still have Clowney No. 1 on their boards.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Clowney, like Manziel, could go No. 1 or No. 3 to get pressure on Andrew Luck in the AFC South.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Jace Amaro goes late in the first round, maybe to New England with pick No. 29.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Calvin Pryor may end up being the top safety because he can play free or strong.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: "I think the next Steve Smith could be Brandin Cooks, who I have going to Carolina with pick No. 28."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Bruce Gaston is a fourth rounder but could rise with a good pro day. Thinks Ricardo Allen is a UDFA.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Stanley Jean-Baptiste is a mid-second rounder and will be the first Nebraska player draft. Now, Purdue questions!

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper doesn't think Lewan gets past Tennessee with pick No. 11.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Lewan could go No. 2 to St. Louis or to Buffalo at No. 9. In the big board, Kiper thinks he's a top 10 player.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: Lewan has outstanding feet, balance and pass protection. Me: Uh...

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on Lewan: He's a heck of a prospect, and I've thought that all along. It wasn't him, it was the interior of the line.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks that by the time the draft happens, Teddy Bridgewater will be underrated. Says Bortles has momentum and Manziel is NFL's No. 1

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper said there's not a consensus in the NFL on Bridgewater. He has it Bridge/Bortles/Manziel but GMs and scouts have them mixed up.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
@bhavikjpatel I'm on a conference call.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper says TIm Jernigan would be "a heck of a pick" for the Bears if he's there. "I don't think DL is something you can wait on."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on Clowney being worried about injury in 2013: "That's all he worried about this year, it seems like."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on the Browns: They could go QB/WR or WR/QB depending how the ratings work out for them.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
"You see some similarities between Bridgewater and Donovan McNabb." Kiper says he's heard Cleveland has a high opinion of Bridgewater.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Manziel will go No. 1 or No. 3. He thinks the Browns go with Teddy Bridgewater.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
"For Cleveland, to see Manziel there would be a surprise to me. When you talk to people in the league, he's the consensus No. 1 QB."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper says WR might be a position the Steelers wait on a little bit in the draft this year because of the depth and what they did last year.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks the Steelers could land the second best corner with their first round pick, whether that's Gilbert or Dennard.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks just two or three first round cornerbacks. "A lot of 2nd and 3rd round coners."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks the first round would be a nice opportunity for the Chiefs to draft a WR because of the quality of the position.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper mentions Benjamin, Beckham, Adams, Cooks, Landry as guys that would be "viable" for Kansas City.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: KC could go WR, safety, tight end. If you look at the WR pos, you could see 6-9 in the 1st round. Underclassmen need to test well.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: "Mack could jump into the mix at No. 3 easily (with a good combine)."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper starts by talking the importance of the Combine because it gives teams true measurables on underclassmen.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by O.city

So theoretically, Vernon Davis improves this team more than JJ Watt?

The DE spot in this d isn't devalued, we just don't have anyone there who's worth a shit rushing the passer.

We need pass rush from th DL

*cough*scheme*cough*

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by O.city

I just don't think an elite pass catcher is more important than an elite rusher, theoretically.

A playmaking pass rusher from the interior, IMO, is just a notch below qb.

An elite pass rusher in this scheme comes in the form of the OLB.

If you feel that Houston and Hali aren't that, then you want to upgrade their position. But it isn't going to come from the five tech in the 34 base of this particular scheme. It isn't supposed to and it won't.

Besides, how many Bruce Smith's/JJ Watt's have their been over the course of the last 30 years?

Probably as many as there have been John Elway's/Andrew Luck's.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

An elite pass rusher in this scheme comes in the form of the OLB.

If you feel that Houston and Hali aren't that, then you want to upgrade their position. But it isn't going to come from the five tech in the 34 base of this particular scheme. It isn't supposed to and it won't.

Besides, how many Bruce Smith's/JJ Watt's have their been over the course of the last 30 years?

Probably as many as there have been John Elway's/Andrew Luck's.

Also keep in mind that if you draft a defensive lineman, you're trusting that Bob Sutton will use him correctly.

I'd rather go offense and trust that Andy Reid will use them correctly.

While I agree with these guys that DL is important, you get difference makers like Poe long before the #23 pick.

This isn't a 2-14 team anymore. The window is NOW. You need guys that can come in and contribute right away for a playoff-caliber team.

[The Franchise]

I'd love to draft Tuitt at #23.....but this defense needs to start using the players that were drafted.....ALL of those players. We keep stacking this defense with 1st round picks and all it's gotten us is a shit ton of Pro Bowl players and no playoff wins.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Also keep in mind that if you draft a defensive lineman, you're trusting that Bob Sutton will use him correctly.

I'd rather go offense and trust that Andy Reid will use them correctly.

While I agree with these guys that DL is important, you get difference makers like Poe long before the #23 pick.

This isn't a 2-14 team anymore. The window is NOW. You need guys that can come in and contribute right away for a playoff-caliber team.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I'd love to draft Tuitt at #23.....but this defense needs to start using the players that were drafted.....ALL of those players. We keep stacking this defense with 1st round picks and all it's gotten us is a shit ton of Pro Bowl players and no playoff wins.

Ayep.

Familiarity in the scheme and a free safety that hasn't lost his edge would go a long way. (I'd also try to get Poe some more breathers during the season as well.)

They've got some seriously good players on the defensive side of the ball. It's time all these Pro Bowlers start producing on the field. One more at the five tech DE spot isn't going to change the world.

Poe, Houston, Hali, Johnson and Berry is a hell of a lot more than what 95% of the teams in the league have on the defensive side of the ball.

[OldSchool]

If you wanted OLB help you would be better off, theoretically, dropping Hali and signing Orakpo to a 5 year deal rather than drafting a rookie and hoping that he can develop in the next couple of years into a top OLB. That's if you want to win now with the Chargers still having a relatively weak roster and Manning getting older and possibly(likely) retiring in the next season(2016). It would still set you up for the next 4 years at the OLB position, baring injury, without having to bet on a late 1st round talent to develop into an Elite player at OLB.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

We still don't know if we have a LT worth a shit. We could plug Stephenson in, sign a RT and probably be no worse off

Remember this time last year when people said this about Poe?

Fisher will be at least 15 lbs heavier next year after his first offseason as a pro. Let's see what happens first.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

You're assuming Tyson Jackson is going to walk, first of all.

And second, that's not a position that requires a first round pick.

Third, what elite talent?

Stop bringing up the Seahawks. They're LOADED at every position, and they have playmakers at every level.

This team has precious few playmakers at ANY level. We need playmakers.

I think we need playmakers up front more than anything. It's not Sutton's fault that assholes like Jackson and Lewis just suck.
SB champs of recent times tell us that we need playmakers up front.

We can find playmakers at WR later in the draft.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RunKC

playmakers up front

An absolute oxymoron.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

An absolute oxymoron.

How so?

It's not as if were sitting in the base 34 front anywhere close to even 50%. Were in odd fronts, nickel, etc a lot.

It's also not like we tell our de's "don't rush the passer".

Look at the Jets. Thy have a good group of dynamic players up front and they're really a great defense. I'd guess some of that is Ryan, but notwithstanding.

Putting another dynamic player next to Poe would really improve the defense

[The Franchise]

This almost seems like a draft for depth or for the future. I'm not seeing a lot of players that are standing out as day 1 immediate impact outside of the 1st round.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Also keep in mind that if you draft a defensive lineman, you're trusting that Bob Sutton will use him correctly.

I'd rather go offense and trust that Andy Reid will use them correctly.

While I agree with these guys that DL is important, you get difference makers like Poe long before the #23 pick.

This isn't a 2-14 team anymore. The window is NOW. You need guys that can come in and contribute right away for a playoff-caliber team.

Geno Atkins was a later pick and Aaron Donald compares to him.

In terms of dl players where we are drafting, you're probably looking at a guy who can start as a sub rusher and potentially become an every down player.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

This almost seems like a draft for depth or for the future. I'm not seeing a lot of players that are standing out as day 1 immediate impact outside of the 1st round.

It's a stacked draft actually, but not necessarily difference makers, just a lot of really solid players

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by O.city

Geno Atkins was a later pick and Aaron Donald compares to him.

In terms of dl players where we are drafting, you're probably looking at a guy who can start as a sub rusher and potentially become an every down player.

And Geno Atkins wouldn't really be Geno Atkins in the 3-4.