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Now That You Watched Your Team Beat The Eagles...
I found an interesting article on IAOFM about what they try to do on O under Chip Kelley. Any thoughts?
Digesting the Eagles Ted Bartlett Sep 27, 2013 1:00 PM http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/bron...ing-the-eagles Happy Friday, friends. Rather than doing a Digesting article about the Eagles today, I decided to look at the big question: is their offense a fad, or does it have staying power? Nothing gets football talkers more riled up than speculating on whether new tactics can work over the long haul in the NFL. Most of them are of the default belief that nothing new can ever work. I’m sure that, in their early days, that was said about innovations like the 3-4 defense, or the zone-blitz, or the shotgun. The reality is that some new stuff works, and some of it is relegated to the dustbin of history. And then you have something like the Run and Shoot, that worked well for a while, and then ostensibly faded away, but quietly, its principles are still quite common to this day. Today, I’m going to explain why the Chip Kelly design works, and why it will continue to work in the NFL on an ongoing basis. Hit the jump, and we’ll get to the bottom of this. So, there’s a thing called the “zone read-option” that some people are saying isn’t a thing anymore. Defenses figured out how to stop it! ZOMG! Why, just today, Pro Football Talk (talking about football isn't knowing about football) ran a story declaring it dead. It’s easy to look at what Philadelphia is doing, and say that it’s the same thing that Washington or Seattle did last year. It’s not, though. That was about creating discipline conflicts in run defense, much like the Broncos did under the Shanahan regime, and the Texans do under Gary Kubiak. If you force a defense to be disciplined and stay at home in all eight gaps, it’s easier to win in the one gap in which you’re actually trying to run. When Robert Griffin reads a DE at the mesh point, he can either hand the ball off to his RB going one way, or keep the ball and run at the gap that a crashing DE just vacated. There are two options there off the action, and a defense that sells out to fill all eight gaps can have some luck with slowing down those two options. What if there were more than two options, though? What if there were five? Would a defense be able to cover them all? That’s the question that Chip Kelly is asking, and answering generally, no, you can’t stop everything. Take a look at this diagram: These are the options that Michael Vick can have off of one look, and one initial run action:
There’s also a sixth option, that does need to be called pre-snap, as a counter to the other five options: 6. Vick throws the ball downfield off of play actions. The offensive line has to pass-block here, which is why everybody has to be on the same page. How does a defense guard against all six options? If you look at the numbered options in the diagram, you can see the challenge; the defense is stretched both vertically and horizontally. How can you defend every inch of the field? We’ll get to that, but before we do, I want to make sure everybody knows a few things: This is fundamentally a scheme that’s trying to run the football, as a basis for everything else that they want to do. It’s an extremely well-conceived running scheme. We hear all the time that the NFL is a passing league, and that the trends increasingly skew that way. When defenses are staffing up to stop the pass, being contrarian, and being good at running the ball offers a big edge against defenses that aren’t built to stop that kind of offense. The scheme is in place in Philadelphia, for the most part, but the ideal players to run it aren’t necessarily there yet. Wait a year or two before you pass too harsh a judgment. The Chip Kelly offense goes beyond the simple zone-read stuff, because it creates run-pass conflicts for defenses. All but the very best ones are going to have to try to guess right, snap after snap, and that makes them vulnerable. Here’s what you have to do to stop each of the six options:
That’s pretty difficult, right? The Chiefs did a pretty good job of checking all six boxes at times in their win last Thursday, and they still gave up 465 yards of offense, including 264 on the ground. How will the Broncos fare? It will probably be a mixed bag, but here are some thoughts:
That’s what I’ve got, friends. It will be tough to stop the Eagles offense, but I think the terrible Eagles defense will have twice as big a challenge with the Broncos offense. |
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09-27-2013, 12:22 PM | #2 |
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Denver will score, but they do not have the kind of talent KC has on the defensive side of the ball. To be fair not many teams do.
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Should be a shoot out.
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09-27-2013, 12:27 PM | #5 |
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I think this is one of the better D's that Manning has had, but we have weaknesses. I'd say that they are a decent Defense built to slow down the other team. No doubt the Offense fuels our team.
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09-27-2013, 12:28 PM | #6 |
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09-27-2013, 12:28 PM | #7 |
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Hmm. The Speed Bump Defense?
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"Most of them are of the default belief that nothing new can ever work. I’m sure that, in their early days, that was said about innovations like the 3-4 defense, or the zone-blitz, or the shotgun. The reality is that some new stuff works, and some of it is relegated to the dustbin of history."
stopped reading there -- making a QB into a designed runner, or "ball bait" isn't even in the area of sound play design or formation. It's more like using 11 DB's in a defense.
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I think denver takes the loss.
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The zone read option is all predicated on your QB NOT getting killed. There is a reason they stopped running this in the NFL decades ago. Your QB won't play the whole season.
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Article is spot on in the summation. Get up early and then watch them try to pass to catch up.
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Hit Vick. Score a few points. Win.
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Your boy Manning is definitely a notch above where he was last year, that arm is much stronger, congrats.
You guys are dangerous as hell this year, our two games are gonna be the real deal, but I bet we can atleast go 50/50 with ya |
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