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RedThat · 08-20-2011, 07:43 PM

Just curious.

I've been thinking this to myself lately and could think of one thing that comes to mind, excellent field vision. If I am missing anything, please care to add.

I've watched the likes of Brady, Montana, and Marino who were very productive and still managed to get by without superstar receivers. How? It had to be good field vision that enabled them to progress through their reads and make plays.

Good field vision goes a long long way imo. Without, I don't think there is much a quarterback can do? Which kinda worries me a bit about Cassel. I've been watching this last preseason game against the Ravens and Im still seeing bad reads from him. Im still seeing how his eyes just lock onto one receiver without managing to keep it on the entire field. I don't mean to turn this into a Cassel debate or anything, but he had this very issue last year and has me wondering, is this the one particular attribute that will prevent him from being great?

I think good field vision is a skill but not one that can be taught. You either have that or you don't. Much like speed. Can't teach speed to an athlete either. I can understand now when some people say his ceiling is limited.

ChiefsCountry · 08-21-2011, 12:29 AM

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Aikman was a great quarterback?

Aikman was a damn good QB.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad · 08-21-2011, 07:49 AM

They were all starters in college?

Demonpenz · 08-21-2011, 07:52 AM

Aikman was good. Three superbowls. One with Barry Switzer.

Messier · 08-21-2011, 08:14 AM

To me, Cassel is a little like a pitcher that's a slow starter, but gets more comfortable as the season goes along. Now, if he can just finish strong.

JD10367 · 08-21-2011, 08:21 AM

I think the great quarterbacks of THIS era are very smart, calm under pressure, and accurate passers (in that order of importance).

The great quarterbacks of the past eras also had to be more physically dominating, and could get by on their arm strength, or toughness. It wasn't as esoteric of a game, I don't think. If you put a Terry Bradshaw on the 2011 Patriots, he'd probably be so confused he'd quit. Likewise, if you put Tom Brady on Bradshaw's Steelers, he'd be in a curled fetal position and pounded into a grass stain in about a half-hour.

milkman · 08-21-2011, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by JD10367

I think the great quarterbacks of THIS era are very smart, calm under pressure, and accurate passers (in that order of importance).

The great quarterbacks of the past eras also had to be more physically dominating, and could get by on their arm strength, or toughness. It wasn't as esoteric of a game, I don't think. If you put a Terry Bradshaw on the 2011 Patriots, he'd probably be so confused he'd quit. Likewise, if you put Tom Brady on Bradshaw's Steelers, he'd be in a curled fetal position and pounded into a grass stain in about a half-hour.

I disagree.

I've often compared Brady to Bradshaw because they both have/had an innate ability to glide in the pocket to avoid pressure, and both make/made throws in the face of pressure and do/did not shy away from the contact.

Brady is a tougher SOB than he gets credit for.

If you said the same thing about Peyton, I would agree with you.

**RNR** · 08-21-2011, 09:29 AM

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Dante84 · 08-21-2011, 09:39 AM

If I remember right, there was some sort of formula that all the elite QB's met when coming into the league from college.

Someone brought it up when we were discussing Stanzi around draft time, because he falls into all the similar characteristics that Brady had coming out of school.

It might have been based on some Parcell thing.... hmm.. i don't remember exactly

kstater · 08-21-2011, 09:41 AM

They were all drafted in the first round.

gonefishin53 · 08-21-2011, 01:33 PM

Great QBs need good football smarts so they can make good pre-snap reads and get everybody in the right position and on the same page of the playbook pre-snap.

Great QBs have to have the mental toughness to make good decisions knowing they're going to get pounded when they release the pass.

Great QBs will use great timing and accuracy to pass their target open (lead the receiver into space instead of coverage).

I think Cassel is average at best in these essential great QB attributes.

kaplin42 · 08-21-2011, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

What do all the great Quarterbacks have in common?

They're not Matt Cassel?

Pasta Little Brioni · 08-21-2011, 04:20 PM

If a QB throws a ball and the guy gets 20 yards on 1st and 10 it's a 1st down/Redthat

RedThat · 08-21-2011, 04:29 PM

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If a QB throws a ball and the guy gets 20 yards on 1st and 10 it's a 1st down/Redthat

that would be a KAAAAANSASSS CITY CHIIIIEF FIRST DOWN!

milkman · 08-21-2011, 04:31 PM

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This what I think.

If a QB sees a receiver downfield and throws the ball, and the receiver catches it, and and he catches it 20 yards downfield from the original line of scrimmage, on 1st and 10 play, after the the ball is spotted by the officials after the receiver is tackled, and it's 10 yards beyond the first down marker, the next play is anther 1st down and 10 play/Redthat

FYP

RedThat · 08-21-2011, 04:33 PM

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FYP

Sh*t you just made my head hurt

08-20-2011, 07:43 PM
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	What do all the great Quarterbacks have in common? Just curious. I've been thinking this to myself lately and could think of one thing that comes to mind, excellent field vision. If I am missing anything, please care to add. I've watched the likes of Brady, Montana, and Marino who were very productive and still managed to get by without superstar receivers. How? It had to be good field vision that enabled them to progress through their reads and make plays. Good field vision goes a long long way imo. Without, I don't think there is much a quarterback can do? Which kinda worries me a bit about Cassel. I've been watching this last preseason game against the Ravens and Im still seeing bad reads from him. Im still seeing how his eyes just lock onto one receiver without managing to keep it on the entire field. I don't mean to turn this into a Cassel debate or anything, but he had this very issue last year and has me wondering, is this the one particular attribute that will prevent him from being great? I think good field vision is a skill but not one that can be taught. You either have that or you don't. Much like speed. Can't teach speed to an athlete either. I can understand now when some people say his ceiling is limited.
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JD10367 Cheaterlover* Join Date: May 2009 Location: RI Casino cash: $10010716	I think the great quarterbacks of THIS era are very smart, calm under pressure, and accurate passers (in that order of importance). The great quarterbacks of the past eras also had to be more physically dominating, and could get by on their arm strength, or toughness. It wasn't as esoteric of a game, I don't think. If you put a Terry Bradshaw on the 2011 Patriots, he'd probably be so confused he'd quit. Likewise, if you put Tom Brady on Bradshaw's Steelers, he'd be in a curled fetal position and pounded into a grass stain in about a half-hour.
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