Chiefs 2013 QB Class - Page 11

O.city · 12-11-2012, 10:06 AM

This was posted in another thread by Milkman, but it got overlooked so I'm making a thread out of it.

I know, another QB thread. But this needs to be put out there for some of the "posters" here to see and think about.

The top three in this years class are in no particular order:

Geno Smith
Tyler Wilson
Matt Barkley

Thats not counting Bray, Glennon, Nassib, etc. Who are all talented in their own right.

So, many posters here want to say, "no not this year, this class is awful don't take one, there isn't a Luck or RGIII in the bunch", which isn't necessarily false.

No there isn't a once in a decade guy. Which is probably what Luck was. Hell even more there have been 2 guys of his stature come out in the last 20 or so years. Luck and Manning.

Yet there are franchise QB's all over the league. How is that so you may ask?

Lets take a look at the last 5 QB classes top 3 guys to come out and get drafted, taking out 2012's class.

2007
Jamarcus Russel
Brady Quinn
Kevin Kolb

2008
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
Brian Brohm

2009
Matt Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman

2010
Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow
Jimmy Clausen

2011
Cam Newton
Blaine Gabbert
Jake Locker

Look at those classes and no, you have to evaluate them at the time they were picked, not what they are now, we don't know what this years class will be in the NFL.

I'd argue that this years class is more loaded than any of those classes at the top and from top to bottom.

So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB.

htismaqe · 12-11-2012, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

What difference would it really have made if they'd taken a Ryan Leaf hit at QB instead of Victor Riley? Or an Akili Smith hit at QB instead of John Tait? Or David Carr instead of Ryan Sims?

**Baby Lee** · 12-11-2012, 04:56 PM

Geezus, it's not enough that the Chiefs make me hate them so. The fans seem so intent on blowing minutiae into life defining battles, that I seem to consigned to hating them as well.

I WANT A NEW ****ING QB, AND HAVE SINCE THE MOMENT THE CASSEL DEAL WAS SIGNED

But **** it. The Chiefs FO gets ESPN. They've heard that there were 3 really good college QBs. Send everyone home 'til next April. Oh, but don't forget to have Marge the secretary come in a couple days early prepare the wheel of QBs and the ceremonial dart for day one of the draft.

**** THIS TEAM And **** THIS GAME.

**DeezNutz** · 12-11-2012, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

And the rest of the quality players on the team burn off another year.

If not through the draft, then how? If not Smith/Wilson/Barkley, then whom do we find?

We have no talent at the position currently, and thus we're wasting prime years for everyone, so we have to solve this with an injection of talent. Where will we find the best talent?

Talented QBs rarely hit the FA and trade market. It happens, but not often.

We have to find our own new-QB smell instead of dousing someone else's piece of shit with Fabreeze.

keg in kc · 12-11-2012, 04:57 PM

Somebody's a little unstable.

Chief Roundup · 12-11-2012, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Dude, the Chiefs will pick NO LOWER THAN THIRD. That's not an assumption, that's an implied FACT.

There are at least 3 top QBs in this draft that many people feel are worth a top pick. That is an assumption but one that pretty much everybody got except you. We've only been talking about Wilson, Smith, and Barkley hourly for about 10 weeks now.

Don't act like the "assumption" you mention was absurd because it absolutely wasn't.

See this is where we disagree. There is a top 2 and then a bunch of others. I just don't see how Barkley is considered a top QB.
As mentioned early and you agreed Barkley has a weaker arm than Chad Pennington and is not a cerebral as Pennington was. How is Barkley top anything? Oh yeah because he is available and you are desperate.

**DeezNutz** · 12-11-2012, 04:59 PM

Barkley does not have a weaker arm than Pennington. No way. Nooooo waaayyyy.

**RealSNR** · 12-11-2012, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

You say sophistry, I say reading the words you posted.

You and htis were emphatically saying 'pick one, just pick one. who cares which one, who cares if he busts, we need one.'

All I countered with was 'you need to do a little more due diligence, and carefully analyze if he's not going to bust is not a clearly inferior prospect to the rest of the available draft class.

After a bunch of bullshit, you guys finally come out with 'of course it was ASSUMED that he was an undeniable #1 prospect with low likelihood of busting.'

I want a QB as much as anyone, and have been as vocal about it as anyone here FOR YEARS. Doesn't mean I want the Chiefs to go QB blind and throw a dart at some QB only draft chart.

And I call sophistry "sophistry." You were quick to point out the inconsistencies and logical fallacies in my argument while engaging in your own (slippery slope, anyone?). I call what you did Geno's Paradox (heh... get it?)

The "pick any QB" argument has limits like anything. Geno Smith and Tyler Wilson aren't even ****ing CLOSE to that limit. If you're saying we need to observe draft value procedures because it's those two guys and not Luck and RGIII, you've got a terrible football mind. Geno Smith and Tyler Wilson are above average QB prospects, dude.

htismaqe · 12-11-2012, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

If not through the draft, then how? If not Smith/Wilson/Barkley, then whom do we find?

We have no talent at the position currently, and thus we're wasting prime years for everyone, so we have to solve this with an injection of talent. Where will we find the best talent?

Talented QBs rarely hit the FA and trade market. It happens, but not often.

We have to find our own new-QB smell instead of dousing someone else's piece of shit with Fabreeze.

Exactly, exactly.

I've yet to see anybody actually address this.

Chief Roundup · 12-11-2012, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Barkley does not have a weaker arm than Pennington. No way. Nooooo waaayyyy.

Pennington didn't have arm issues until after he had the shoulder issues.

ChiefsCountry · 12-11-2012, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

See this is where we disagree. There is a top 2 and then a bunch of others. I just don't see how Barkley is considered a top QB.
As mentioned early and you agreed Barkley has a weaker arm than Chad Pennington and is not a cerebral as Pennington was. How is Barkley top anything? Oh yeah because he is available and you are desperate.

Wow you are an idiot.

keg in kc · 12-11-2012, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Exactly, exactly.

I've yet to see anybody actually address this.

Alex Smith!

Joe Flacco!

**RealSNR** · 12-11-2012, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Somebody's a little unstable.

Eh, I get like that around here all the time. It happens.

**RealSNR** · 12-11-2012, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

If not through the draft, then how? If not Smith/Wilson/Barkley, then whom do we find?

We have no talent at the position currently, and thus we're wasting prime years for everyone, so we have to solve this with an injection of talent. Where will we find the best talent?

Talented QBs rarely hit the FA and trade market. It happens, but not often.

We have to find our own new-QB smell instead of dousing someone else's piece of shit with Fabreeze.

Hey, maybe Mike Glennon is really good!

**DeezNutz** · 12-11-2012, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Pennington didn't have arm issues until after he had the shoulder issues.

Fair enough. I'd be lying if I said that any mental picture that I have of him isn't from later in his career.

keg in kc · 12-11-2012, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR

Eh, I get like that around here all the time. It happens.

I never do. No, I'm not lying. **** you, mother****er, i'm gonna tear your ****ing ****-ass face off.

12-11-2012, 10:06 AM
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2724064	2013 QB Class This was posted in another thread by Milkman, but it got overlooked so I'm making a thread out of it. I know, another QB thread. But this needs to be put out there for some of the "posters" here to see and think about. The top three in this years class are in no particular order: Geno Smith Tyler Wilson Matt Barkley Thats not counting Bray, Glennon, Nassib, etc. Who are all talented in their own right. So, many posters here want to say, "no not this year, this class is awful don't take one, there isn't a Luck or RGIII in the bunch", which isn't necessarily false. No there isn't a once in a decade guy. Which is probably what Luck was. Hell even more there have been 2 guys of his stature come out in the last 20 or so years. Luck and Manning. Yet there are franchise QB's all over the league. How is that so you may ask? Lets take a look at the last 5 QB classes top 3 guys to come out and get drafted, taking out 2012's class. 2007 Jamarcus Russel Brady Quinn Kevin Kolb 2008 Matt Ryan Joe Flacco Brian Brohm 2009 Matt Stafford Mark Sanchez Josh Freeman 2010 Sam Bradford Tim Tebow Jimmy Clausen 2011 Cam Newton Blaine Gabbert Jake Locker Look at those classes and no, you have to evaluate them at the time they were picked, not what they are now, we don't know what this years class will be in the NFL. I'd argue that this years class is more loaded than any of those classes at the top and from top to bottom. So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB.
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