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Old 09-24-2012, 09:34 AM   #1
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That would be a dream come true....

Could you imagine how giddy this fanbase would be if we could take Smith at #8...
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Old 09-24-2012, 09:38 AM   #2
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yeah, yeah... only week 3 and a lot of shit can change from now to draft date. this is the ONLY thing that will make me renew my season tix next year.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2013.php



My only hope is that he has an off game or two... Lord knows Pioli won't trade up for him.
He won't be there at 8.

By the end of the season there's going to be another "Luck v. RGIII" conversation w/ Barkley and Smith, though obviously a lesser edition of it. In the end, I don't think it's that unlikely that Smith takes the #1 overall away from Barkley.

I'm seeing less and less I like from Barkley every game. Ultimately I really wish that Murray was a couple inches taller because I've been more impressed by Murray than I have any of the other 'pocket' passers I've seen this season. If the draft was tomorrow and Murray came out early, I'd be the idiot that took him over the taller, more polished Barkley. And I still like Tyler Bray's tools more than both of them, though I haven't seen him play much this year and he's also likely to stay for his SR season.

Brace yourselves, Chiefs fans. But I think this may end up being a pretty shitty QB class. It looks like Geno and a fair number of underclassmen that will probably stay in (Wilson, Bray, Murray) and a few busts waiting to happen (Barkley, Manuel, Jones).

Geno or Bust in 2013!!!!
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Old 09-24-2012, 04:06 PM   #3
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He won't be there at 8.

By the end of the season there's going to be another "Luck v. RGIII" conversation w/ Barkley and Smith, though obviously a lesser edition of it. In the end, I don't think it's that unlikely that Smith takes the #1 overall away from Barkley.

I'm seeing less and less I like from Barkley every game. Ultimately I really wish that Murray was a couple inches taller because I've been more impressed by Murray than I have any of the other 'pocket' passers I've seen this season. If the draft was tomorrow and Murray came out early, I'd be the idiot that took him over the taller, more polished Barkley. And I still like Tyler Bray's tools more than both of them, though I haven't seen him play much this year and he's also likely to stay for his SR season.

Brace yourselves, Chiefs fans. But I think this may end up being a pretty shitty QB class. It looks like Geno and a fair number of underclassmen that will probably stay in (Wilson, Bray, Murray) and a few busts waiting to happen (Barkley, Manuel, Jones).

Geno or Bust in 2013!!!!
People knock Barkleys arm strength but watch this



The guy might be Matt Ryan/ Carson Palmer. Threads the needle there between a few defenders is able to look off his first read. That right there certainly is an improvement over Cassel and a great throw.
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Old 09-24-2012, 04:10 PM   #4
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The guy might be Matt Ryan/ Carson Palmer. Threads the needle there between a few defenders is able to look off his first read. That right there certainly is an improvement over Cassel and a great throw.
I challenge any person who wants Kasl Jr. in KC to fisticuffs.
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Old 09-24-2012, 04:15 PM   #5
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I challenge any person who wants Kasl Jr. in KC to fisticuffs.
That's really not an accurate comparison though.


How bout a hug?
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Old 09-24-2012, 04:21 PM   #6
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I challenge any person who wants Kasl Jr. in KC to fisticuffs.
He's significantly better than Cassel. Cassel can't throw a ball hard enough to keep the noise down.

Barkley has some tools, I just don't think he's an elite QB. Honestly I'd have probably compared him to Flacco a couple of years ago in that you just wonder what it will take for him to get over the hump. Eventually he'd end up sliding into a career as a solid, but unspectacular QB. Flacco's probably right at the cusp of the top 10 and that's probably Barkley's upside as well, but the development process is a spooky think and he may not get there.

He's not a #1 overall caliber prospect, IMO. If he's there for us at 8, sure grab him (because it will almost certainly mean that Smith is gone). He'll be a solid starter in this league and a guy you can probably win with in a few years.

But he still doesn't jump off the page to me.
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Old 09-24-2012, 04:23 PM   #7
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The guy might be Matt Ryan/ Carson Palmer. Threads the needle there between a few defenders is able to look off his first read. That right there certainly is an improvement over Cassel and a great throw.
What makes that throw impressive is not the velocity (though it was a nice hard throw), but that he had the stones to attempt it.

You have to take risks to win in this league. And more often than not, those risks have to succeed. Cassel would've hopped a couple of times, tucked it, put his head down and run straight forward. He'd have never had the faith in his arm to try to get it between two defenders. Though to be fair, he probably shouldn't.

Barkley's far more advanced as a passer right now than Cassel will ever be. I'm still not convinced he's a legitimate difference maker though.
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Old 09-24-2012, 04:29 PM   #8
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What makes that throw impressive is not the velocity (though it was a nice hard throw), but that he had the stones to attempt it.

You have to take risks to win in this league. And more often than not, those risks have to succeed. Cassel would've hopped a couple of times, tucked it, put his head down and run straight forward. He'd have never had the faith in his arm to try to get it between two defenders. Though to be fair, he probably shouldn't.

Barkley's far more advanced as a passer right now than Cassel will ever be. I'm still not convinced he's a legitimate difference maker though.
I think he'll be a shorter/more accurate Matt Ryan.

You can def. win games with this guy.
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Old 09-24-2012, 05:40 PM   #9
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Barkley's far more advanced as a passer right now than Cassel will ever be. I'm still not convinced he's a legitimate difference maker though.
The Chiefs would be a legitimate Super Bowl contender this year with Barkley under center. Do I think he's a prototypical Franchise QB? In all honesty, I'm not sure. But he is smart, athletic and has an NFL arm.

He might be Matt Schaub or Andy Dalton (who should have been a first rounder - the Bengals really scored) but I'm fairly certain the Chiefs could win a Super Bowl with Barkley under center.

IMO, at least in this point in time, he'll be one of those guys slightly under "Elite". I'd be shocked if he becomes a Brees, Manning, Farve, etc. but he's certain good enough to win important games.
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:18 PM   #10
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The Chiefs would be a legitimate Super Bowl contender this year with Barkley under center. Do I think he's a prototypical Franchise QB? In all honesty, I'm not sure. But he is smart, athletic and has an NFL arm.

He might be Matt Schaub or Andy Dalton (who should have been a first rounder - the Bengals really scored) but I'm fairly certain the Chiefs could win a Super Bowl with Barkley under center.

IMO, at least in this point in time, he'll be one of those guys slightly under "Elite". I'd be shocked if he becomes a Brees, Manning, Farve, etc. but he's certain good enough to win important games.
Damn.

One of my new greatest regrets in life is that I didn't make the Schaub comparison. Schaub's a very good comp.

You can win with that kind of QB for sure. But I think in Bray you may have the next Stafford, in Smith the next Steve Young and in Murray is see some Eli Manning.

There are some guys with higher ceilings in this draft but I agree that the Chiefs can absolutely be a winner with Barkley and a few improvements in the defense.
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Old 09-24-2012, 09:42 AM   #11
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:15 AM   #12
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With what's happened in Fayetteville I think Wilson's outta there
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With what's happened in Fayetteville I think Wilson's outta there
Unless he decides he gives up football and goes to graduate school, I'm pretty sure he has to "outta there" as he's a senior. Unless he wants to take a redshirt this year.
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Old 09-26-2012, 06:59 PM   #14
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Of all the 32 teams, who needs a QB more than us? No one. I don't think there will be the demand like years past. This year's draft pretty much took care of everyone. Only way the market opens up is if some seated QBs' tank their team & season.

Arizona & Buffalo look to be the only teams who might be in the market & if Kolb can just be average & let his defense carry him he should be OK. Besides, if not Kolb they have those other 2 who are fairly young.

They just signed Fitzpatrick to a lucrative extension last year so giving up on him may not be easy.
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I think we can still win games this year and have the ability to draft a QB. See guy like Flacco and Rodgers that were taking the in mid to late first. We should have some options when we are on the clock.

It would be nice to be able to trade up to get OUR guy, but we know that wont happen.
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