Chiefs Falcons after Gonzalez - Page 5

dj56dt58 · 04-12-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

A contender?

Are you kidding?

Do you actually think that guys like Vrabel, Thomas and yes, Gonzalez are going to be around when this team is truly competitive?

Vrabel and Thomas might have this year left, and Gonzo has said he might play this year and next.

which makes us competitive the next couple years..no?

After that our younger guys have developed and we sign guys/draft guys to take their places. Just like the Pats

milkman · 04-12-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

If Pioli is signing guys like Zach Thomas and trading for guys like Mike Vrabel, what makes you think he's interested in trading Tony Gonzalez?

It's going to have to be a WOW offer for them to trade Tony Gonzalez...

#55 overall isn't a WOW offer. Sorry drafturbators, it's clear Pioli is trying to build a contender with veteran presence...the Herm Edwards 25 and under only approach isn't the Pioli way. Gonzalez has a reasonable contract and is showing no signs of slowing down...he's not going to be traded IMO.

You mean a veteran presence like Donnie Edwards?

Frankie · 04-12-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

If Pioli is signing guys like Zach Thomas and trading for guys like Mike Vrabel, what makes you think he's interested in trading Tony Gonzalez?

It's going to have to be a WOW offer for them to trade Tony Gonzalez...

#55 overall isn't a WOW offer. Sorry drafturbators, it's clear Pioli is trying to build a contender with veteran presence...the Herm Edwards 25 and under only approach isn't the Pioli way. Gonzalez has a reasonable contract and is showing no signs of slowing down...he's not going to be traded IMO.

This.

chiefzilla1501 · 04-12-2009, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

If Pioli is signing guys like Zach Thomas and trading for guys like Mike Vrabel, what makes you think he's interested in trading Tony Gonzalez?

It's going to have to be a WOW offer for them to trade Tony Gonzalez...

#55 overall isn't a WOW offer. Sorry drafturbators, it's clear Pioli is trying to build a contender with veteran presence...the Herm Edwards 25 and under only approach isn't the Pioli way. Gonzalez has a reasonable contract and is showing no signs of slowing down...he's not going to be traded IMO.

Because Thomas and Vrabel and Goff play positions where we need stopgap talent. Love Tony Gonzalez. And I know he's an impact tight end. But a team can function with average talent at the position. Signing those guys doesn't mean the team wants to win now. What it's saying is that this team has a million different needs so we're going to fill a few positions with 1-2 year fixes to give us a few less immediate needs to look for.

I would prefer not to trade Gonzalez. But at the same time, I don't know that he fits into the team's long-term plans.

NCarlsCorner2 · 04-12-2009, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

If Pioli is signing guys like Zach Thomas and trading for guys like Mike Vrabel, what makes you think he's interested in trading Tony Gonzalez?

It's going to have to be a WOW offer for them to trade Tony Gonzalez...

#55 overall isn't a WOW offer. Sorry drafturbators, it's clear Pioli is trying to build a contender with veteran presence...the Herm Edwards 25 and under only approach isn't the Pioli way. Gonzalez has a reasonable contract and is showing no signs of slowing down...he's not going to be traded IMO.

Gonzalez for DE Jamaal Anderson 6'6" 282lbs.

booger · 04-12-2009, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NCarlsCorner2

Gonzalez for DE Jamaal Anderson 6'6" 282lbs.

maybe.

He's been a bust, 0 sacks in 07, 2 last year. Mike Smith may try him more at DT hoping to get something out of him.

He might be a good fit for a 5tech in the 34. We could probably have a shot at Jarron Gilbert at #55 and try to develop him instead. I'd trade Tamba for him straight up though.

Red Dawg · 04-12-2009, 10:48 AM

I would do it for their second only if Tony wants it this way. Out of the division and conference as well. Nothing less than a second.

keg in kc · 04-12-2009, 10:54 AM

For a second rounder? Get it done yesterday.

**Bwana** · 04-12-2009, 10:55 AM

A 2nd? If that's the case, see ya Tony.

Crush · 04-12-2009, 11:14 AM

If that is the case, pack his bags and get him the **** out of town.

I could give two shits about him retiring as a Chief, as long as the team wins a Super Bowl sometime this century. A potential 2nd rounder will contribute more toward that goal than an aging tight end, who only has 1-2 years left, that bitches every other day about being traded.

The era of player loyalty is over. The insignia on the helmet should come before the player, if you want to win a Super Bowl.

**Skip Towne** · 04-12-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Crush

If that is the case, pack his bags and get him the **** out of town.

I could give two shits about him retiring as a Chief, as long as the team wins a Super Bowl sometime this century. A potential 2nd rounder will contribute more toward that goal than an aging tight end, who only has 1-2 years left, that bitches every other day about being traded.

The era of player loyalty is over. The insignia on the helmet should come before the player, if you want to win a Super Bowl.

Agreed. In basketball terms " The name on the front of the jersey > the name on the back"

chiefs1111 · 04-12-2009, 11:18 AM

As much as I like Tony if the Falcons offer up their 2nd rounder,you have to take that offer.

Cormac · 04-12-2009, 07:15 PM

I can't believe all this "Tony is a whiny ass bitch" stuff.

Who cares if he demands excellence?!?! If that makes him a whiny ass bitch, then we're all whiny ass bitches on this board. Do you people long for the "we're OK with losing" attitudes of Eric Hicks???

The difference between TG and most other players is that he has earned the right to complain, and even to ask for a trade if he sees fit. The important thing is that when he doesn't get traded, what does he do? He laces up the next week and PLAYS HIS ASS OFF every play. That's the kind of guy I want on my team. A 2nd round pick might be good value to the drafturbators, but I'd rather keep him.

What will a 2nd round pick do? We have a new QB and a new scheme coming in. TG could be invaluable in getting this thing up and running the right way. We have a lot of picks, and we have lots of youth already. Herm's biggest mistake (after choosing football coach as a career) was to jettison virtually all vets and leave the team rudderless. Pioli seems to be addressing that.

Chiefnj2 · 04-12-2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cormac

I can't believe all this "Tony is a whiny ass bitch" stuff.

Who cares if he demands excellence?!?! If that makes him a whiny ass bitch, then we're all whiny ass bitches on this board. Do you people long for the "we're OK with losing" attitudes of Eric Hicks???

The difference between TG and most other players is that he has earned the right to complain, and even to ask for a trade if he sees fit. The important thing is that when he doesn't get traded, what does he do? He laces up the next week and PLAYS HIS ASS OFF every play. That's the kind of guy I want on my team. A 2nd round pick might be good value to the drafturbators, but I'd rather keep him.

What will a 2nd round pick do? We have a new QB and a new scheme coming in. TG could be invaluable in getting this thing up and running the right way. We have a lot of picks, and we have lots of youth already. Herm's biggest mistake (after choosing football coach as a career) was to jettison virtually all vets and leave the team rudderless. Pioli seems to be addressing that.

+1

Cormac · 04-12-2009, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

+1

Cheers

04-12-2009, 10:48 AM	#7
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Crush Amateur Poster Join Date: Mar 2004 Casino cash: $5097091	If that is the case, pack his bags and get him the **** out of town. I could give two shits about him retiring as a Chief, as long as the team wins a Super Bowl sometime this century. A potential 2nd rounder will contribute more toward that goal than an aging tight end, who only has 1-2 years left, that bitches every other day about being traded. The era of player loyalty is over. The insignia on the helmet should come before the player, if you want to win a Super Bowl.
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04-12-2009, 07:15 PM	#13
Cormac Haley sceptic.... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: waiting it out....... Casino cash: $10004900	I can't believe all this "Tony is a whiny ass bitch" stuff. Who cares if he demands excellence?!?! If that makes him a whiny ass bitch, then we're all whiny ass bitches on this board. Do you people long for the "we're OK with losing" attitudes of Eric Hicks??? The difference between TG and most other players is that he has earned the right to complain, and even to ask for a trade if he sees fit. The important thing is that when he doesn't get traded, what does he do? He laces up the next week and PLAYS HIS ASS OFF every play. That's the kind of guy I want on my team. A 2nd round pick might be good value to the drafturbators, but I'd rather keep him. What will a 2nd round pick do? We have a new QB and a new scheme coming in. TG could be invaluable in getting this thing up and running the right way. We have a lot of picks, and we have lots of youth already. Herm's biggest mistake (after choosing football coach as a career) was to jettison virtually all vets and leave the team rudderless. Pioli seems to be addressing that.
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