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[Ultra Peanut]

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['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Bowser

When I was deepest into wrestling, I enjoyed it because I could read up on what was happening in the WWF, NWA, AWA, Mid-South, the Deep South, and keep up on all the favorites there. I enjoyed it when Flair would cross over and put his title on the line against the Von Erichs, or Steve Williams, or any number of "heroes" of that particular organization. And you're right - it worked in keeping styles and identities "fresh", without being totally buried or foreign to the fan. The competition for the talent between organizations was a plus, as well. Ricky Steamboat made his name in the WWF, but made himself and the NWA a mint when he came over and beat Flair for the title. It's that kind of crossover that I miss, I guess. Going back and forth between Smackdown and Raw really doesn't do much for me, personally. It's just not interesting, especially knowing that any of these guys could turn up on the other show any given night.

Basically, you're saying Vince's desire to be the King of Wrestling has soured the product, and I agree. Like I said, I just poke my head in from time to time, but all I see are the same guys doing the same shit. The best thing that could happen for the WWE is to have the territories come back, and let some up and comers find their niche so the WWE could have some newness to it.

Just imagine if every basketball team was filled with guys who were 6'6", weighed 210-215 pounds, and all had the exact same offensive game and defensive mindset.

Think about how boring that would be to watch. That's basically what the WWE is now. The only guys with even remotely innovative offense (Bourne, Morrison, RVD in his time) aren't and weren't given a chance to shine. There's no variety to the product. No tag division, no cruisers, no IC or midcard fueds of any interest.

The one guy at the top of the card who has a slightly different approach is Jeff Hardy, but he's basically only a spot monkey. He can't tell a story worth a damn.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Thanks. I thought it was p. good. I was able to invoke both the poster Big Rock, who has defended HHH on this forum, and reference Kid Rock, who stunk up Reliant Stadium on Sunday.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Oh, and Benjamin was buried b/c of his tendency to botch moves at times and his inability to talk.

Carlito was buried for his attitude (supposedly) and the idea that he half-asses it at times (who knows).

HHH took great interest in burying Carlito in the Fall of '07 on one of the first stops of his Quadfest II: Burial, the Reunion.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

IIRC, They set up a match btw. Carlito and HHH where Carlito was allowed to use weapons and H couldn't, and Trips still squashed his ass.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Oh, and Benjamin was buried b/c of his tendency to botch moves at times and his inability to talk.

Carlito was buried for his attitude (supposedly) and the idea that he half-asses it at times (who knows).

HHH took great interest in burying Carlito in the Fall of '07 on one of the first stops of his Quadfest II: Burial, the Reunion.

Thanks for the info on those two. They seemed to be pushing both of those guys pretty hard and fast. Carlito was like top two or three villian with his dumbass apple bit, and Benjamin scored a couple of suprise pins on HHH. I half expected to hear that Hun-tor got vaginitis over the attention they were getting, and went crying to daddy-in-law about it.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

IIRC, They set up a match btw. Carlito and HHH where Carlito was allowed to use weapons and H couldn't, and Trips still squashed his ass.

I guess that's when you know for sure you've been demoted in importance in the WWE.

[Mecca]

Personally I think Triple H's greatest moment is his Wrestlemania match with Warrior.

[Boris The Great]

The Ultimate Warrior didnt draw big money. I am sure he sold a lot of tshirts and all, but his run on top in 1990 was a disaster. House show business tanked. The company went running right back to Hogan after less than a year.

Shawn Michaels didnt draw well in his year in top in 1996 either, but WWF was taking it hard from WCW and the nWo for most of that year. Warrior had no such excuse for his run. Also consider that Warrior completely collapsed from strength of the Hogan era, while the title run for Shawn was precceded by a year of Nash, one of the worst drawing champions of all time, and a few months of Bret, who also wasnt a terribly strong draw on top (though better than everyone else mentioned).

Over the course of Shawns career, he has probably made WWE twenty times the money Warrior ever did. To say otherwise is completely insane.

[Boris The Great]

Originally Posted by Hamas Jenkins

Since Backlash 2006, Hunter has not been pinned with a finisher in a PPV, he lost twice last year on TV which was a result of interference.

Neither of those statements is true. Do you guys just believe everything you read or what?

[Mecca]

No offense to your opinion but there is not a more overrated wrestler in the history of wrestling when it comes to drawing and making money than Shawn Michaels. People like him because he can work matches. Shawn Michaels is the wrestler that was on top when they came very near going out of business...

It's of course cool to rip on Warrior but I will guarantee you this he has more name value appeal than pretty much 99% of wrestlers who have ever wrestled. And this idea that he was never a draw is pretty absurd, of course he tanked in comparison to Hogan in ****ing 1990 most everyone would.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Boris The Great

Neither of those statements is true. Do you guys just believe everything you read or what?

Who pinned him with a finisher?

[Boris The Great]

Originally Posted by Mecca

No offense to your opinion but there is not a more overrated wrestler in the history of wrestling when it comes to drawing and making money than Shawn Michaels.

Its not an opinion, the amount of money people drew are verified facts. The Warrior drew little. So did Shawn, but he has made far more for WWE over his career than Warrior ever did. If nothing else, that should be common sense due to longevity.

Originally Posted by Mecca

And this idea that he was never a draw is pretty absurd, of course he tanked in comparison to Hogan in ****ing 1990 most everyone would.

He tanked in comparison to anyone. Randy Savage drew better as champ than Warrior did while Hogan was off making No Holes Barred and god knows what else.

Originally Posted by Mecca

Who pinned him with a finisher?

I only know this because I recently saw it, but Randy Orton RKOd him and pinned him in a tag match during the DX/Rated RKO feud. And I am just going off memory here, but didnt Edge spear him when he won the belt at Survivor Series?

[Mecca]

He lost to Edge because Jeff Hardy hit H with a chair...

I also don't recall him being pinned with an RKO, I recall him losing a last man standing match.

[Boris The Great]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I also don\'t recall him being pinned with an RKO, I recall him losing a last man standing match.

Different matches, one was a tag and one was the LMS. But that is the beauty of phrasing things so specifically, he wasnt *pinned* with a *finisher*. Doesnt mean he wasnt pinned. Doesnt mean he didnt lose because of a finisher. By that rule you could eliminate him tapping out to Cena at WM.

But phrasing it a certain way makes the argument look stronger than it is. Which is why such things are usually a waste of time.

[Mecca]

I think it's phrased that way to avoid this line..."he lost to Jeff Hardy" you know not factoring in that, that win was made to look like a total fluke and treated as such.