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Old 12-13-2017, 09:34 AM  
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Old 12-13-2017, 10:34 AM   #31
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Agreed. I'm not saying cut those guys to get into the FA pool - that rarely works out.

I'm saying cut those guys because you just need new voices in the huddle and fresh blood on the field. I'm hopeful that McQuay can show out a bit because he has some serious tools and sure would look nice in the safety group alongside Berry. I think we have obvious keeper in Ragland and honestly him and KPL have looked like a solid interior.

So if you can use some draft capital on another CB and OLB, you already have some younger in-house options that may be ready to ascend to more prominent gametime/leadership roles.

But sometimes that means shuffling out some old dudes.
Yeah they’ll be some old guys get shuffled out. Has to happen.

I wouldn’t get that crazy on free agents either. It’s time to clean the cap up and get ready for the next window once Mahomes gets ready to go.
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Old 12-13-2017, 10:35 AM   #32
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"Never let a crisis go to waste..."

If they flame out and miss the playoffs or put up another effort that ends short of the AFC Championship game, I think you have the excuse you need to sell a pretty significant overhaul to the fans and the remaining players.
Other than who we’ve discussed here, who else is a possible homer that’s old though?

Colquitt probably but once you trim these old guys off, the roster is pretty young.
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Old 12-13-2017, 10:36 AM   #33
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Smith's replacement is already here.
DJ's replacement is already here.
We'll need a replacement for Hali and/or Ford. KPass or Nicholas can help fill that role.
We'll need a replacement for Bailey (if we get rid of him).
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Old 12-13-2017, 10:39 AM   #34
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Man it really just shows how big of a **** up 15 and 16 were. Wasted chances. They don’t come around often unless your belicheck and you’ve gotta strike when it’s hot.
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Old 12-13-2017, 10:44 AM   #36
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Old 12-13-2017, 10:52 AM   #37
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It's tough, but it's probably also time.

The roster, more critically the lockerroom, may well be getting stale. If they flame out again, that's 5 years with no meaningful progression. They'll be effectively the same team they were at the end of Andy's first season in terms of results.

Teams like that need to get a significant shakeup or they'll go south quickly. And there's a chance we're seeing a little of this already.

It won't be easy, but with a new quarterback and a new 'core' with Hunt, Hill and Kelce as the new lead dogs, you can just close the window on the DJ/Hali/Smith era Chiefs and move forward.

Part of that can easily mean cleaning house of some fringe guys that never really got better or who's backloaded contracts have caught up to their production.
I wouldn't get rid of many more guys than the obvious Smith/Hali/DJ, personally.

Those releases alone signal the turning of a new leaf. Those are three of the current leaders on the Chiefs, and two guys who are going in the ring at Arrowhead. Add on top the fact that Mahomes starts next year and it is a clear start from scratch IMO.

I don't think the 2018 Chiefs are dead in the water just because Mahomes will be in his first year though. If they don't completely purge the roster, there's still going to be A LOT of talent on the team. It's not like DJ and Hali are still incremental pieces of success, so losing them is more of a leadership void than anything.

I would keep guys like Bailey and Parker, those middle of the roster role players. Just use some of the newfound cap space to plug some holes and nail 2 or 3 draft picks, and I believe the Chiefs can go to the playoffs in Mahomes' first year as a starter.
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Other than who we’ve discussed here, who else is a possible homer that’s old though?

Colquitt probably but once you trim these old guys off, the roster is pretty young.
Nobody really. But when someone says we don't want to turn over 40% of the roster, you get there pretty quickly when you start to include Bailey, Parker and Colquitt along with the obvious Smith, DJ, Hali, Ford moves. Sorensen could also be let go with some nominal savings and Zombo's not much of a cost savings but he just needs to be upgraded on. Ware is also a likely casualty.

You get to 9-10 guys who had starter/key reserve roles in a hurry.
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I don't think you can get rid of some guys like Allen Bailey. This FA class is so god awful that we can't just turn over 40% of the roster.

I don't see any quality DL, CB or G's that would be available.

Wish it was last years class. I'd be handing the routing number to Calais Campbell and AJ Bouye.
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Part of that can easily mean cleaning house of some fringe guys that never really got better or who's backloaded contracts have caught up to their production.
*ahem* Bailey and Ron Parker, for sure.

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Or go all out for Lawrence from Dallas lol
Unless you're looking to switch to a 4-3 I'm not sure he'd be a scheme fit. You'd also be looking at paying $40m per year in just two pass rushers.

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Sorensen could also be let go with some nominal savings.
I am so, SO down.
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Man it really just shows how big of a **** up 15 and 16 were. Wasted chances. They don’t come around often unless your belicheck and you’ve gotta strike when it’s hot.
Was just saying that to a friend last night.
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I don't think you can get rid of some guys like Allen Bailey. This FA class is so god awful that we can't just turn over 40% of the roster.

I don't see any quality DL, CB or G's that would be available.

Wish it was last years class. I'd be handing the routing number to Calais Campbell and AJ Bouye.
Allen Baily is worth his 4M cap savings if cut. I would keep him.

This team hasnt been able to put together a solid DLine in decades, and Baily is needed to keep it respectable at this point.

Top teir D linemen dont just fall out of the sky.
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How 'bout big Shel; is Richardson worth taking a gamble on? Alex Okafor's achilles rupture is disappointing - he looked like a great fit as a young FA.

I don't see a good way to get Demarcus Lawrence; he'll almost certainly get tagged. DaQuan Jones might be a nice fit.

There will be some guys.
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Nobody really. But when someone says we don't want to turn over 40% of the roster, you get there pretty quickly when you start to include Bailey, Parker and Colquitt along with the obvious Smith, DJ, Hali, Ford moves. Sorensen could also be let go with some nominal savings and Zombo's not much of a cost savings but he just needs to be upgraded on. Ware is also a likely casualty.

You get to 9-10 guys who had starter/key reserve roles in a hurry.
Yeah but isn’t that pretty normal year to year for most teams?

Unless you’re the jags d who have been built thru the draft with seemingly every pick hitting.
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How 'bout big Shel; is Richardson worth taking a gamble on? Alex Okafor's achilles rupture is disappointing - he looked like a great fit as a young FA.

I don't see a good way to get Demarcus Lawrence; he'll almost certainly get tagged. DaQuan Jones might be a nice fit.

There will be some guys.
I’m as big of a Richardson fan as anyone but 2 things come to mind....

I can’t see the Seahawks letting him go after giving up what they did for him

And with what you describe as an iffy locker room, is he a guy you wanna drop in there?
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