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Old 01-16-2013, 08:57 AM   #1
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I hate you because that is entirely possible. Arizona has the #7 pick. I could very easily see Reid trading the #1 pick for Arizona's first this year and next + Kolb.

(According to the draft value charts, the trade up value from AZ's #7 position to our #1 is their first this year and next + their second round pick. Basically, we would trade the second round pick we would otherwise pick up for Kolb. That is just way too much like how our last regime started.)
If Reid truly liked Kolb, why did he allow him to leave Philly?

If Reid really has a mancrush on Vick, as you say, then why did he bench Vick?

Vick was a turnover machine. Just like Cassel.

None of your speculation makes any sense.

I'll happily admit I was wrong if any of this happens.

I'm fairly confident none of it will.
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Old 01-16-2013, 09:43 AM   #2
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If Reid truly liked Kolb, why did he allow him to leave Philly?

Vick came in and lit it up--so much so that he was named comeback player of the year. The Eagles placed the franchise tag on him and then gave him a $100M contract. Reid likes value so he got something for Kolb including a pick and a CB--an area of need for the Eagles. Based on the numbers that Vick was putting up at the time, that is good, smart football.

If Reid really has a mancrush on Vick, as you say, then why did he bench Vick?

Vick was benched because of injury. Folks in Philly were furious that Reid hadn't benched him earlier in the season. Reid stood by Vick. FTR, Billick agreed with Reid: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...eagles-starter

Vick was a turnover machine. Just like Cassel.

Vick had a lot of turnovers, but he was no where close to Cassel. Vick had 11 total TDs last year and 13 total TOs while Cassel had 7 total TDs and 19 total TOs. Vick was bad; Cassel was epically bad.

None of your speculation makes any sense.

I'll happily admit I was wrong if any of this happens.

I'm fairly confident none of it will.
I don't know why you think I'm against taking Geno with the #1 pick. I've never said it. I've been on the Geno bandwagon from the start of the season. (Look at post #14 on the Geno Smith fans roll call thread.)

What I have said is that based on Reid's draft history, based on what Clark has said, based on what Reid has said, based on what Dorsey has said--I'm tempering my expectations and hopes that the Chiefs will use the #1 pick on Smith.

I fully expect AZ to trade their pick to the Chiefs and that they will use it on Smith. Believe it or not, once you get past Kolb, their QBs are actually worse than the Chiefs. Brady Freakin Quinn had better stats than Skelton or Lindley.

If (and that is a big if) the Chiefs traded out of the first pick, I would rather they get the other second round pick. I hate the thought of getting Kolb. That is my nightmare scenario.
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Old 01-16-2013, 09:49 AM   #3
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I don't know why you think I'm against taking Geno with the #1 pick. I've never said it. I've been on the Geno bandwagon from the start of the season. (Look at post #14 on the Geno Smith fans roll call thread.)
I never said you were against drafting Smith.
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Old 01-16-2013, 09:55 AM   #4
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What I have said is that based on Reid's draft history
The highest pick Reid has ever had was #2 overall. He took a QB.

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based on what Clark has said
Clark said there isn't a QB HE thinks is worth the #1 pick. He ALSO said that he's basically just a fan and scouting players wasn't his job.

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based on what Reid has said
Reid said his IDEAL situation is to have a QB in here Day 1 that he can mold into his system, aka drafting a QB.

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based on what Dorsey has said
So far, all we've heard from Dorsey is standard, canned introductory press conference rhetoric.
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:08 AM   #5
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The highest pick Reid has ever had was #2 overall. He took a QB.



Clark said there isn't a QB HE thinks is worth the #1 pick. He ALSO said that he's basically just a fan and scouting players wasn't his job.



Reid said his IDEAL situation is to have a QB in here Day 1 that he can mold into his system, aka drafting a QB.



So far, all we've heard from Dorsey is standard, canned introductory press conference rhetoric.
If you know anything about Reid at all you'd peg him to draft a QB with this pick and you'd peg Geno as the most likely QB he'd take.

Just think back to when McNabb was taken and roundly booed loudly by the Philly fans...
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