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Old 01-03-2013, 03:06 PM   #1
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I just don't like Randy Moss. For as good as he is/was, I still consider him a waste of talent. If he had applied himself even remotely like Jerry Rice did, I can't imagine what he could have achieved.


I think he mailed it in in Oakland, and is a juvenile. But nobody puts up his stats by being either lazy or stupid. I think that stuff gets over-sold a bit. Yes, he can give up on games/plays, and that is a strike against him, but on balance and overall, he was a very, very intelligent football player who played great football for a very, very long time.

You're comparing his effort to Jerry Rice, which is a bit crazy. Rice's work ethic was maniacal -- like a Larry Bird or a Michael Jordan. Not everyone is built that way. Maybe it annoys you didn't work like a complete dog, but he didn't NEED TO to be unbelievably successful on the field.

I don't love him, but neither do I hate him. He is (was, really) incredibly great as a WR though. It's inarguable.
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:12 PM   #2
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Old 01-03-2013, 10:12 AM   #3
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Old 01-03-2013, 11:20 AM   #6
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Marshall Faulk revolutionized the modern day offense and the modern day running back... probably.

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Lynn Swann performed in an Era where he was literally raped the whole way down the field. Definitely deserves the nod.
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Old 01-03-2013, 12:15 PM   #9
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Old 01-03-2013, 03:02 PM   #10
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Lynn Swann performed in an Era where he was literally raped the whole way down the field. Definitely deserves the nod.

He was a Pro Bowler THREE times. THREE. He was All Pro ONCE. He played EIGHT years.


Let's compare him to a few other great WRs of their era, and then let's cut Moss's statistics IN HALF:

Career years:
Swann: 1974-82.
Pearson: 1974-84
Warfield: 1964-77
Carmichael: 1971-84
Moss: 1998-current

Receptions:
Swann: 336
Pearson: 489
Warfield: 427
Carmichael: 590
Moss (halved): 491

Yards:
Swann: 5,462
Pearson: 7,822
Warfield: 8,565
Carmichael: 8,985
Moss (halved): 7,646

TDs:
Swann: 51
Pearson: 48
Warfield: 85
Carmichael: 79
Moss (halved): 78

Pro Bowls:
Swann: 3
Pearson: 3
Warfield: 8
Carmichael: 1
Moss: 7

All Pro (first team):
Swann: 1
Pearson: 3
Warfield: 6
Carmichael: 4
Moss: 5


Swann wasn't even the best WR of his generation, and his stats don't even match up to Moss if you cut Moss's stats in half to account for the change in the game over the years. Moss has been part of the two highest scoring offenses in NFL history (1998 Vikes, 2007 Pats), and was part of the 15-1 1998 Vikes and 16-0 Patriots.

Yeah, Swann over Moss. Not so much.
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