Surtain to Arizona? - Page 5

VonneMarie · 04-19-2005, 05:40 PM

Good grief. King just said on ESPN that the Cards are the new favorite to trade for Surtain.

I didn't catch it all. Anyone catch it?

Pants · 04-19-2005, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by gochiefs

Trent Green's pass to Coleman beat us last year.

Gah! Priest almost made him fumble on the 1-yard line too. fuck fuck fuck!

Hammock Parties · 04-19-2005, 10:20 PM

Don't worry guys. Between Boerigter, Gonzalez, Wilson and Priest we're going to be UNSTOPPABLE in the redzone next year.

**Bowser** · 04-19-2005, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gochiefs

Don't worry guys. Between Boerigter, Gonzalez, Wilson and Priest we're going to be UNSTOPPABLE in the redzone next year.

*the sound of wood being knocked on*

Wallcrawler · 04-20-2005, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69

And what about LB? Start Key Fox, or give Kawika another chance? Or maybe you're a big fan of Scanlon?

You do realise that the objective is to win now, right? While we still have the offense capable of winning a championship?

Why would you want a rookie linebacker, over a pro bowl cornerback when the Chiefs defense was ranked 4th overall in fewest rushes against?

Noone cared about running the football, because the secondary was so freaking bad that they could pick up huge chunks of yardage whenever they Goddamned well pleased.

And your solution to this, is to add a ROOKIE CB in Carlos Rodgers, with no guarantee that he will be there at 15, and then draft another rookie linebacker in the second round?

Are you insane?

We need the Pro Bowl caliber talent that Patrick Surtain has to help this secondary get respectable. Once teams stop throwing the ball for 20+ yards on every third down, then you can run your mouth about how some linebackers could help.

Right now the front 7 is servicable. The secondary is atrocious.

As for your money concerns regarding Surtain's deal, wake up. You have to pay for top tier talent. Surely you havent been watching Carl Peterson for so long that youve lost that fact along the way.

You can add whatever linebacker you want to that front 7, but if you leave the secondary like it is, and expect a rookie to step in as a starter and shut down one side of the field, instead of a pro bowler who has proven that he can do it, youre out of your mind.

This defense isnt going to be completely fixed in one offseason. There are too many holes. The Chiefs complacency last offseason guraranteed that. Right now, they have to address the most pressing issue, and that issue is cornerback. Linebacker, Safety, and Defensive End have all been addressed in free agency. Cornerback has not been touched yet. We have noone to start opposite Eric Warfield, who is a number 2 corner on his best day. We dont know who the free safety is going to be.

The round 2 needs to be dealt to Miami, cut the BS and get some pro bowl talent in there at cornerback. Knight and Surtain were half of one of the best secondaries in the league, and they are going to be desperately needed if this defense is going to have a hope of shutting down the wide receivers that this team faces in the upcoming season.

And by the way, the Surtain degenerative knee thing is a myth. You show us a link to some quality information that says that Patrick Surtain has a degenerative knee, and then I might consider listening to this rabble. Until then, drop that excuse, because its pure BS.

Another linebacker would be nice, yes. But to value an undetermined rookie prospect in the second round over a proven Pro Bowl corner when you have the worst secondary in the league is ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.

Who do you think the Chiefs are going to select that will outplay Patrick Surtain this year?

We need guys who can play NOW, before this offense (QB, LT RG, HB, FB, WR) all retire.

The Chiefs dont have time to wait on guys who might be good in a few seasons. They have the ability to aquire pro bowl talent right now, and they damn well better jump at the opportunity if they want anyone to believe that they are serious about a championship run.

htismaqe · 04-20-2005, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by VonneMarie

If it ain't done by draft day, I don't think we gettin' him.

It it ain't done by draft day, NOBODY will get him. The Dolphins want picks now.

ct · 04-20-2005, 07:22 AM

So now enter the Houston Texans who give up a 2nd AND a 3rd this year for Phillip Buchanon, and still CP feels the Dolphins demands are too much? I realize Houston gave up WAY too much, but this hurts KC in a bad way, no doubt about it!

htismaqe · 04-20-2005, 07:29 AM

If we fail to acquire Surtain between today and Friday night about midnight, it's not going to happen.

Between this, and listening to the rundowns of the last 5 years' drafts, I'm finding myself wishing I rooted for another team.

**Baby Lee** · 04-20-2005, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by rufusmaqe

If we fail to acquire Surtain between today and Friday night about midnight, it's not going to happen.

Between this, and listening to the rundowns of the last 5 years' drafts, I'm finding myself wishing I rooted for another team.

And at long last mackway finds himself nearing where I was when Rolle and Hartwell bolted. Welcome bud.

We are sooooo fooked, because CP and DV made the double faux pas of telling the world that they don't have faith in our current personnel, then NOT REPLACING THEM.

keg in kc · 04-20-2005, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by coryt

So now enter the Houston Texans who give up a 2nd AND a 3rd this year for Phillip Buchanon, and still CP feels the Dolphins demands are too much? I realize Houston gave up WAY too much, but this hurts KC in a bad way, no doubt about it!

Not necessarily. The issue with Surtain has been and still is the contract; teams (not just us) are apparently hesitant to deal both high picks *and* major money. And the difference between the two is that Buchanan is a 4th year player, 25 years old (during the season), still under his rookie contract (5-year, $7 - $12 million) whereas Surtain is 29 and looking for a blockbuster deal.

In short: younger player + cheap contract (or cheaper if they rework him) = higher value

(I think Surtain warrants a 2nd, btw, always have, I'm just pointing out the differences. I also think waiting on the trade is the right move)

Edubs · 04-20-2005, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by VonneMarie

Just a little something from KFFL.

Chiefs | Still Working on Surtain Trade - from www.KFFL.com
Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:58:05 -0700

Updating ongoing reports, according to KCChiefs.com, Kansas City Chiefs president Carl Peterson has confirmed that the Chiefs continue to work on a possible deal to land Miami Dolphins CB Patrick Surtain in a trade. "We're still talking, still negotiating, still trying to do something that makes sense contract-wise for the Kansas City Chiefs and it has to make sense for Patrick and his representative," Peterson said. Peterson added a deal would have to get done prior to the NFL Draft because Surtain's contract situation was "too complex" to be worked out on draft day.

If it ain't done by draft day, I don't think we gettin' him.

"still trying to do something that makes sense contract-wise"....I thought that part of the deal had been agreed upon. I thought what Miami wanted as far as pics were concerned was the problem.

milkman · 04-20-2005, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Edubs

"still trying to do something that makes sense contract-wise"....I thought that part of the deal had been agreed upon. I thought what Miami wanted as far as pics were concerned was the problem.

We are getting different reports on that situation.

AirForceChief · 04-20-2005, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Edubs

"still trying to do something that makes sense contract-wise"....I thought that part of the deal had been agreed upon. I thought what Miami wanted as far as pics were concerned was the problem.

Everything I've read attributed to King Carl has consistently stated that no deal has been done, but parameters have been set. "Close but no cigar."

All of which is academic if we can't work out something with the Dolphins, anywho...

Otter · 04-20-2005, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

It's Peter King, fer cryin out loud. Normally, that would be enough to dismiss the story. But this IS the Chiefs front office. At this point, right now, I would not be suprised one way or another how the Surtain thing turns out.

But seriously, look at the guys at reciever we're going up against this year......

Week 1 - Laveranues Coles/Wayne Chrebet
Week 2 - Randy Moss/Jerry Porter
Week 3 - Rod Smith/Ashlie LeeLee
Week 4 - Terrell Owens/Todd Pinkston/Freddie Mitchell
Week 6 - Santana Moss/ ?
Week 7 - Chris Chambers/ ?
Week 8 - Keenan McCardell/Eric Parker (probablly somebody else)
Week 9 - Moss/Porter
Week 10 - Eric Moulds/Lee Evans
Week 11 - Andre Johnson/Jabbar Gaffney
Week 12 - New England and their five wide attack
Week 13 - Smith/LeeLee
Week 14 - Keyshawn Johnson/ ?
Week 15 - at NY Giants (finally a break?)
Week 16 - McCardell/ some young buck/Antonio Gates
Week 17 - Chad Johnson/Peter Warrick/TJ Houshenmenzadah(?)

If we don't get Surtain, I will run interference for Talking Can while he pops CP like a zit. Knowing how our defensive secondary played last year, there is no WAY we shouldn't get this deal done, especially after looking at the upcoming schedule.

Excellent analysis!

PS - Giants still have Amania Toomer, Jeremy Shockey, Tiki Barber and will no doubt draft a WR early. Their defense is much better than ours to boot. Oh yeah, they signed Placo Burress too.

Strap in boys, unless we have a hell of a draft we're fooked. The last 3 years I sat watching the draft thinking "no way they could do as bad as last year" but low and behold they did.

Plan on sitting in front of the TV with your mouth open when the Chiefs announce their draft pick then have to look up on the internet who he is...count on it.

shaneo69 · 04-20-2005, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by The Stinger

And your solution to this, is to add a ROOKIE CB in Carlos Rodgers, with no guarantee that he will be there at 15, and then draft another rookie linebacker in the second round?

Yeah, that's right. I would take Rogers and Boley. If you don't like it, fine. Like I've said before, philosophical differences.

If Rogers isn't there at #15, I'd trade down, pick up an extra 3rd rounder, make the trade for Surtain, then take O. Thurman with my late 1st round pick.

eazyb81 · 04-20-2005, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69

Yeah, that's right. I would take Rogers and Boley. If you don't like it, fine. Like I've said before, philosophical differences.

If Rogers isn't there at #15, I'd trade down, pick up an extra 3rd rounder, make the trade for Surtain, then take O. Thurman with my late 1st round pick.

Why Odell Thurman? Is a backup MLB really a priority? Or would you move Bell outside and put a rookie like Thurman in the middle? After the Kawika Mitchell fiasco, i'm not too sure about having a young guy in the middle calling the shots.

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