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crispystl · 03-30-2013, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

great

I just love that argument.

"Matt Ryan blows because he loses in the playoffs."

JFC

for the record, his playoff losses have come to Arizona (should have won the Super Bowl), Packers (won the Super Bowl), Giants (won the Super Bowl) and the 49ers (probably should have won the Super Bowl)...

so yeah, he is 1-4 and lost while holding the #1 seed twice against the Packers (who no one was going to beat) and the 49ers (where he played a pretty good game)...

but the idea that Matt Ryan isn't, at the very least, a very good and capable QB is ****ing nonsense. He's 5 years into his career and he has shown great consistency and at least passes the god damn eye test.

I can't wait for someone to tell me they'd take Joe Flacco over Matt Ryan because Flacco has postseason success.

This board makes me want to gauge my eyes out sometimes.

I'd take Ryan over Flacco

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-30-2013, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by crispystl420

I'd take Ryan over Flacco

You'll take a guy that's won exactly ONE playoff game, with superior offensive talent, in the past 5 years, over a guy that just won the Super Bowl and lit it up for 6 straight weeks (not to mention five straight years of playoff wins)?

What the **** are you smokin'?

crispystl · 03-30-2013, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You'll take a guy that's won exactly ONE playoff game, with superior offensive talent, in the past 5 years, over a guy that just won the Super Bowl and lit it up for 6 straight weeks (not to mention five straight years of playoff wins)?

What the **** are you smokin'?

Hey, you'll take Cam Newton...what ARE YOU smoking???

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-30-2013, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by crispystl420

Hey, you'll take Cam Newton...what ARE YOU smoking???

I'm smokin' the mother****er that can put up 4,000 yards in the air and 31 TD's per year with a broke dick 33 year old receiver as his main weapon.

What you got?

milkman · 03-30-2013, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You'll take a guy that's won exactly ONE playoff game, with superior offensive talent, in the past 5 years, over a guy that just won the Super Bowl and lit it up for 6 straight weeks (not to mention five straight years of playoff wins)?

What the **** are you smokin'?

Matt Ryan has been the more consistent regular season QB.

But, yeah, I'm taking the guy that has shown he can get it done in the playoffs.

Two years ago, my answer would have been different.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-30-2013, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Matt Ryan has been the more consistent regular season QB.

But, yeah, I'm taking the guy that has shown he can get it done in the playoffs.

Two years ago, my answer would have been different.

Joe Flacco is an interesting case, IMO.

When he came out, he was supposedly "raw" but with a huge arm. I think he proved that in his first season, even though their offense was a detriment to their team and they ultimately lost in the AFC Championship.

Newsome continued to supply Flacco with offensive players, year after year, yet they just couldn't get over the hump. Mind you, Newsome didn't make a move for a Julio Jones, Tony Gonzalez or even a Roddy White, but he did bring in some competent players.

The biggest move, IMO, was firing Cam Cameron (because again, IMO, the game has truly passed him by) and replacing him with Jim Caldwell. In all honesty, I thought that Caldwell was the equivilent of Gunther Cunningham or any other coordinator that was elevated to head coach unceremoniously (George Seifert is another).

But dammit if the Ravens offense didn't explode after his hiring. They were taking shots downfield, running with abandon and so on. I think I may have said this last year but my apologies to Caldwell. He was a true difference maker for the Ravens.

Which makes one wonder: What IS Flacco's ceiling?

Personally, I believe that Ryan already hit his ceiling and will be lucky to maintain it.

Hootie · 03-30-2013, 09:26 AM

I mean, ****.

I simply can't stand this websites fixation with the insanely flawed premise of "a QB is only good if his postseason record is good."

It's ****ing stupid.

**BigMeatballDave** · 03-30-2013, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

I mean, ****.

I simply can't stand this websites fixation with the insanely flawed premise of "a QB is only good if his postseason record is good."

It's ****ing stupid.

It's not flawed. It's how a QBs career is graded, wholly.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-30-2013, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

I mean, ****.

I simply can't stand this websites fixation with the insanely flawed premise of "a QB is only good if his postseason record is good."

It's ****ing stupid.

I'm on record as saying I'd take Cam Newton over any other NFL QB and his current record is 14-18.

But that said, I think Matt Ryan is just a guy. I liked him coming out of Boston College but I think he's failed to live up to expectations. The guy has two extremely talented first round receivers, a HOF TE, a good offensive line with several high draft choices, yet he's incapable of putting the team on his back and win.

I see him as the 3rd best QB in his division and that's not going to win you much in the post season.

Hootie · 03-30-2013, 09:39 AM

so

let me hear you say it Dave

you'd take Joe Flacco over Matt Ryan.

Go.

**BigMeatballDave** · 03-30-2013, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

so

let me hear you say it Dave

you'd take Joe Flacco over Matt Ryan.

Go.

Considering the goal in the NFL is to win in the postseason, yes.

I'll ask you: Who's had more to work with on their team?

Matt Ryan is clearly a better regular season QB.

Flacco has had more success in the playoffs.

People don't remember the regular season. There are no trophies for that.

It's all about the SB.

Hootie · 03-30-2013, 09:50 AM

so then you'd take Joe Flacco over every single NFL QB.

Got it.

**BigMeatballDave** · 03-30-2013, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

so then you'd take Joe Flacco over every single NFL QB.

Got it.

Messier · 03-30-2013, 09:50 AM

I don't think it's wrong to value a QB that wins when it matters. I'd take a QB that throws only 3100 yards and 21 TDs, over a 4000 30 plus TD QB if the first QB was clutch in the playoffs. I know winning is a team thing, and you can't blame or credit a QB completely for wins and losses, but there is something to be said for a QB that makes the right plays in big games.

Hootie · 03-30-2013, 09:57 AM

hm

well I'm not counting the Rahim Moore miracle as a clutch play. It was a hail mary that worked.

...other than that, I just don't see what Joe Flacco did this postseason that was so unbelievably remarkable. The Colts were clearly inferior. He played well against Denver but down the stretch they were practically R2P2...to the point where people were criticizing Caldwell for his playcalling...and they ended up winning because of a terrible Manning play. New England couldn't convert a 3rd and short all game long...Flacco played good but the Ravens defense held a potent New England offense in check an entire game...and kept them in the game in the 1st half when the Ravens couldn't get anything going on offense...

and then he played a great half against the 49ers and they almost "Matt Ryan'd" the game when Kaepernick was 1st and Goal to win the Super Bowl only for the Ravens defense to AGAIN step up..

so yes, Joe Flacco had a very efficient postseason. But outside of the Rahim Moore nonsense...where exactly did Joe Flacco make these "clutch" plays? When did he have an Eli Manning postseason moment? If you want to count Rahim Moore's worst play in NFL history, so be it...

but outside of the Denver game, they were the best TEAM in every game they played. God damn I can't wait for 2013 so Flacco can be Flacco and I can stop having to debate this fallacy of him being elite.

03-30-2013, 09:26 AM	#7
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I mean, **. I simply can't stand this websites fixation with the insanely flawed premise of "a QB is only good if his postseason record is good." It's **ing stupid.
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03-30-2013, 09:39 AM	#10
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	so let me hear you say it Dave you'd take Joe Flacco over Matt Ryan. Go.
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03-30-2013, 09:50 AM	#12
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	so then you'd take Joe Flacco over every single NFL QB. Got it.
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Messier MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Casino cash: $10005050	I don't think it's wrong to value a QB that wins when it matters. I'd take a QB that throws only 3100 yards and 21 TDs, over a 4000 30 plus TD QB if the first QB was clutch in the playoffs. I know winning is a team thing, and you can't blame or credit a QB completely for wins and losses, but there is something to be said for a QB that makes the right plays in big games.
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03-30-2013, 09:57 AM	#15
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	hm well I'm not counting the Rahim Moore miracle as a clutch play. It was a hail mary that worked. ...other than that, I just don't see what Joe Flacco did this postseason that was so unbelievably remarkable. The Colts were clearly inferior. He played well against Denver but down the stretch they were practically R2P2...to the point where people were criticizing Caldwell for his playcalling...and they ended up winning because of a terrible Manning play. New England couldn't convert a 3rd and short all game long...Flacco played good but the Ravens defense held a potent New England offense in check an entire game...and kept them in the game in the 1st half when the Ravens couldn't get anything going on offense... and then he played a great half against the 49ers and they almost "Matt Ryan'd" the game when Kaepernick was 1st and Goal to win the Super Bowl only for the Ravens defense to AGAIN step up.. so yes, Joe Flacco had a very efficient postseason. But outside of the Rahim Moore nonsense...where exactly did Joe Flacco make these "clutch" plays? When did he have an Eli Manning postseason moment? If you want to count Rahim Moore's worst play in NFL history, so be it... but outside of the Denver game, they were the best TEAM in every game they played. God damn I can't wait for 2013 so Flacco can be Flacco and I can stop having to debate this fallacy of him being elite.
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