Royals 2012 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 322

**alnorth** · 10:54 PM

2012 Slogan: Our Time

A better, more accurate 2012 Slogan: It is Finally Next Year
(from Great Expectations)

An alternative slogan if you don't like that one: Someone has to win this crappy division
(from alnorth)

With the beginning of a new year, it is time for the 2012 version of the Royals Repository Thread. We've got Hosmer, we've got a 2011-dominating Gordon, we've got Moose, we've got hopefully a killer bullpen, we've got a stereotypical slow slugging DH, we've got easily one of the best defensive shortstops in the AL, we've got a promising catcher in Salvador Perez. Hell, we've got offense and promising prospects galore.

We do not have starting pitching.

Oh yeah, we've also got this:

Get ready for, (as of January 2012 anyway), one of the most confusing puzzles of a baseball season in recent Royals history. Will they suck? Maybe, I don't know. Will we be given a year of 0.500 baseball? Possibly, I don't know. Will they win the division and go to the playoffs for the first time in 27 years? For the first time in a long time, it could happen, I don't know. 92 losses, 92 wins, or anything in between would not surprise a lot of us.

Everything goes here except Gameday threads and really big news. If a giant story breaks, the Royals achieve some awesome milestone, or we sign/lose a highly significant player/coach/mascot/whatever, then it might also deserve its own thread. This being Chiefs Planet, please do not clutter the board with new threads about trivial Royals news or you will only annoy those who come here for just Chiefs football. If you aren't sure and its not a Gameday thread, it goes here.

What sort of stuff often goes here? SPchief explained it well, so I'll just copy that:

Quote:

If you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

Raiderhater · 07-08-2012, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cabletech94

someone had to be the comedian, right?

if someone wants to buy 1 @ 15 dollars, then they can have 1 @ 15 dollars.

if you are a midget, or little person, it's still 15 mother effing dollars!!!!

Oh hell, I completely misunderstood what you were saying. I thought you meant $30 each. Not $30 for both.

**cabletech94** · 07-08-2012, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader

Oh hell, I completely misunderstood what you were saying. I thought you meant $30 each. Not $30 for both.

30 bones takes both my friend. just trying to pay for gas, my brother.

Ceej · 07-08-2012, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cabletech94

someone had to be the comedian, right?

if someone wants to buy 1 @ 15 dollars, then they can have 1 @ 15 dollars.

if you are a midget, or little person, it's still 15 mother effing dollars!!!!

Where do you live?

And when does the HRD start? I'm in Topeka and work until 6pm tomorrow.

**cabletech94** · 07-08-2012, 11:06 AM

i'm in pittsburg. i've got 4 fanfair tix. 2 i'll be keeping for myself. i believe teh derby starts @ 7pm. the ff tix are good for tuesday also.

Raiderhater · 07-08-2012, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by cabletech94

30 bones takes both my friend. just trying to pay for gas, my brother.

PM sent.

duncan_idaho · 07-08-2012, 11:37 AM

Because I'm bored (and this is what Royals fans have to look forward to), here's my current top 10 prospects, with the next 10 in no particular order.

1) Wil Myers (duh).
2) Jake Odorizzi (duh).
3) Bubba Starling. Flashing the great tools - especially as a defender - that he was touted for, but also sporting good plate discipline - a positive surprise - and an apparently drastically retooled and improved swing. Ceiling is the same. Floor might be rising.
4) Kyle Zimmer. When you go 4th overall, you have to break a team's top 5, right? I'd like to see them be aggressive and promote him straight to Wilmington or at least Kane County, once his hamstring is healthy.
5) RHP Yordano Ventura. He's starting the Futures Game for the World Team today. Diminutive righty has amazing velocity despite his size. Very similar to the more-touted Carlos Martinez of the Cardinals. Curve is awesome when he controls it. Change needs work. Floor is lights-out bullpen guy (see: Herrera, Kelvin). Ceiling is good MLB starter.
6) OF Jorge Bonifacio. Great hit tool and good plate discipline for a guy from the DR. Probably a second-half promotion to Wilmington.
7) LHP Mike Montgomery. He's still only 22 and has plenty of time to figure things out. Has to do it sooner rather than later, though. Still a 6-5 lefty with plus-potential. Ceiling hasn't changed - but the floor has lowered considerably.
8) SS Aldaberto Mondesi. I realize this is a really aggressive ranking and I'm out on a limb, but the kid is 16 and hitting over .300 in Idaho Falls. He'll turn 17 the last week of July, but if he hits that well at that level at that age over the full season, you're looking at someone who will shoot up prospect ranks. For comparison: Jurickson Profar hit .250 at short-season A ball at the same age (which is a half step between Rookie and A Ball).
9) LHP John Lamb. Again, aggressive, but I think Lamb is going to have a comeback similar to Wil Myers. A little taste of failure/set-back is going to focus the player and get him to work extremely hard and make sure he's at his best. Would love to see Lamb get into Arizona Fall League action, where I think he can make some noise. Another guy who can shoot back up the ranks.
10) RHP Kyle Smith. This is a tough call, but Smith is as good as any. 2011 draftee is already at Kane County, an aggressive promotion for a HS pitcher, and has K'd 29 in 18 2/3 innings so far this season.

Next 10:
2B Christian Colon. Has been out the past month with an injury, but was showing signs of coming around with the bat at NWA.

SS Orlando Calixte. Scouting report says he can stick at SS, and he has shown impressive slug despite hitting in the .250 range this season.

OF Elier Hernandez. Not hitting as well as Mondesi at Idaho Falls, but still flashes the tools that made him a key signee.

3B Cheslor Cuthbert. Struggles with the bat continued early in 2012 (carry-over from second half of 2011), but he is starting to hit of late. Still has good plate discipline and flashes enough at 3B to think he can stick.

RHP Jason Adam. Probably not a TOR starter, but looks like he could be a back-end guy.

RHP Sugar Ray Marimon. Doesn't have great stuff, but it is good enough, and has a good feel for pitching.

LHP Chris Dwyer. Still has great stuff. Past month: 29 2/3 IP, 22K, 7 BB, ERA just over 3. Figuring it out? Who knows.

RHP Angel Baez. Great body and raw stuff/potential. Still new to pitching and figuring that portion of things today.

3B Patrick Leonard. Flashing tremendous raw power so far. Striking out a lot, but oh well.

RHP Bryan Brickhouse. Classic pitcher's body with good stuff. Hasn't pitched as well as fellow 2011 draftee Kyle Smith, but has much more potential.

Looking at that, most of the talent is clustered between A+ to Rookie ball. They did a great job in the 2011 draft, from early returns.

KCUnited · 07-08-2012, 11:51 AM

MLB just in the Downtown Peanut "regulating" Boulevard signage that showcases the All Star logo. Our Time.

**Bowser** · 07-08-2012, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited

MLB just in the Downtown Peanut "regulating" Boulevard signage that showcases the All Star logo. Our Time.

stonedstooge · 07-08-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited

MLB just in the Downtown Peanut "regulating" Boulevard signage that showcases the All Star logo. Our Time.

The KC news was showing the MLB Nazis at the FanFest yesterday, making sure noone was infringing on their trademarks. Representatives were showing how you could get screwed buying second rate wearable products that supposedly will shrink up to GI Joe sized after 1 washing compared to their stuff that's over priced by around 800% which is a steal.

**Shogun** · 07-08-2012, 01:57 PM

Getting ready to head out to the K for the futures game

**gblowfish** · 07-08-2012, 01:58 PM

Here's a quick halftime rundown, not taking into account injuries, which is a totally different subject altogether.

Snapshot of first half, now complete:

Good:
Perez hitting .386
Butler w/16 HRs
Escobar hitting .311
Broxton 21 out of 24 save opportunities
Tim Collins 55 Ks in relief

Bad:
12 Game Losing Streak
Gordon 5 HRs
Gordon, Moose, Frenchy all over 60 Ks
Dyson has six errors in the outfield.
Royals have used 22 pitchers this year.
Sanchez 1-5 6.75 ERA in 11 starts.
None of our current available starters have a winning record.

2011: Royals play .438 ball, finish in next to last ahead of Twins.
2012 first half: Royals play .446 ball, in next to last ahead of Twins.

So, has this team been better than last year? Barely, just barely.

**Shogun** · 07-08-2012, 02:02 PM

Don't forget paulino, Duffy with ucl tears

**DeezNutz** · 07-08-2012, 02:05 PM

Gordon has a shit ton of doubles. Tied for league lead. While doubles are obviously < HRs, they are not without significant value.

In short, Alex Gordon is not even close to being a concern for this team, since Yost removed his head from his ass and put Gordo back in the lead-off spot.

Raiderhater · 07-08-2012, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Gordon has a shit ton of doubles. Tied for league lead. While doubles are obviously < HRs, they are not without significant value.

In short, Alex Gordon is not even close to being a concern for this team, since Yost removed his head from his ass and put Gordo back in the lead-off spot.

I'll take a lead off double every time.

**DeezNutz** · 07-08-2012, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiderhader

I'll take a lead off double every time.

Absolutely. Gordon gets on base and possesses pop. Great lead-off hitter in my book.

07-08-2012, 11:06 AM	#4819
cabletech94 Everything is Awesome!!!!! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: The Pitt Casino cash: $2096805	i'm in pittsburg. i've got 4 fanfair tix. 2 i'll be keeping for myself. i believe teh derby starts @ 7pm. the ff tix are good for tuesday also. __________________ Originally Posted by Big Smoke May as well laugh. Otherwise I will probably break shit.
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07-08-2012, 11:37 AM	#4821
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1760308	Because I'm bored (and this is what Royals fans have to look forward to), here's my current top 10 prospects, with the next 10 in no particular order. 1) Wil Myers (duh). 2) Jake Odorizzi (duh). 3) Bubba Starling. Flashing the great tools - especially as a defender - that he was touted for, but also sporting good plate discipline - a positive surprise - and an apparently drastically retooled and improved swing. Ceiling is the same. Floor might be rising. 4) Kyle Zimmer. When you go 4th overall, you have to break a team's top 5, right? I'd like to see them be aggressive and promote him straight to Wilmington or at least Kane County, once his hamstring is healthy. 5) RHP Yordano Ventura. He's starting the Futures Game for the World Team today. Diminutive righty has amazing velocity despite his size. Very similar to the more-touted Carlos Martinez of the Cardinals. Curve is awesome when he controls it. Change needs work. Floor is lights-out bullpen guy (see: Herrera, Kelvin). Ceiling is good MLB starter. 6) OF Jorge Bonifacio. Great hit tool and good plate discipline for a guy from the DR. Probably a second-half promotion to Wilmington. 7) LHP Mike Montgomery. He's still only 22 and has plenty of time to figure things out. Has to do it sooner rather than later, though. Still a 6-5 lefty with plus-potential. Ceiling hasn't changed - but the floor has lowered considerably. 8) SS Aldaberto Mondesi. I realize this is a really aggressive ranking and I'm out on a limb, but the kid is 16 and hitting over .300 in Idaho Falls. He'll turn 17 the last week of July, but if he hits that well at that level at that age over the full season, you're looking at someone who will shoot up prospect ranks. For comparison: Jurickson Profar hit .250 at short-season A ball at the same age (which is a half step between Rookie and A Ball). 9) LHP John Lamb. Again, aggressive, but I think Lamb is going to have a comeback similar to Wil Myers. A little taste of failure/set-back is going to focus the player and get him to work extremely hard and make sure he's at his best. Would love to see Lamb get into Arizona Fall League action, where I think he can make some noise. Another guy who can shoot back up the ranks. 10) RHP Kyle Smith. This is a tough call, but Smith is as good as any. 2011 draftee is already at Kane County, an aggressive promotion for a HS pitcher, and has K'd 29 in 18 2/3 innings so far this season. Next 10: 2B Christian Colon. Has been out the past month with an injury, but was showing signs of coming around with the bat at NWA. SS Orlando Calixte. Scouting report says he can stick at SS, and he has shown impressive slug despite hitting in the .250 range this season. OF Elier Hernandez. Not hitting as well as Mondesi at Idaho Falls, but still flashes the tools that made him a key signee. 3B Cheslor Cuthbert. Struggles with the bat continued early in 2012 (carry-over from second half of 2011), but he is starting to hit of late. Still has good plate discipline and flashes enough at 3B to think he can stick. RHP Jason Adam. Probably not a TOR starter, but looks like he could be a back-end guy. RHP Sugar Ray Marimon. Doesn't have great stuff, but it is good enough, and has a good feel for pitching. LHP Chris Dwyer. Still has great stuff. Past month: 29 2/3 IP, 22K, 7 BB, ERA just over 3. Figuring it out? Who knows. RHP Angel Baez. Great body and raw stuff/potential. Still new to pitching and figuring that portion of things today. 3B Patrick Leonard. Flashing tremendous raw power so far. Striking out a lot, but oh well. RHP Bryan Brickhouse. Classic pitcher's body with good stuff. Hasn't pitched as well as fellow 2011 draftee Kyle Smith, but has much more potential. Looking at that, most of the talent is clustered between A+ to Rookie ball. They did a great job in the 2011 draft, from early returns. __________________ "You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass." ---- Sinatra
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07-08-2012, 11:51 AM	#4822
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07-08-2012, 01:58 PM	#4826
gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $17686178 VARSITY	Here's a quick halftime rundown, not taking into account injuries, which is a totally different subject altogether. Snapshot of first half, now complete: Good: Perez hitting .386 Butler w/16 HRs Escobar hitting .311 Broxton 21 out of 24 save opportunities Tim Collins 55 Ks in relief Bad: 12 Game Losing Streak Gordon 5 HRs Gordon, Moose, Frenchy all over 60 Ks Dyson has six errors in the outfield. Royals have used 22 pitchers this year. Sanchez 1-5 6.75 ERA in 11 starts. None of our current available starters have a winning record. 2011: Royals play .438 ball, finish in next to last ahead of Twins. 2012 first half: Royals play .446 ball, in next to last ahead of Twins. So, has this team been better than last year? Barely, just barely.
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