NFL Draft I guess this means Gholston is a Chief? - Page 4

kcfan82 · 04-22-2008, 09:39 PM

Fine by me....

**the Talking Can** · 04-22-2008, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dj56dt58

it would be like trading allen for 2 3rd rounders

Stupid imo

no

its like trading him for a 1st and 2 thirds....jesus christ people....

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-22-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I hope he proves me wrong if we draft him, but I don't see Gholston as top-5 calibre. He'd be a risky pick. He's got all the measurables, but I'm not sold on him as a football player, as opposed to an athlete.

To paraphrase Don Francis, honestly, how many sacks would have been enough? 100? A thousand? Give us a number so we won't annoy you again...

**cdcox** · 04-22-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

This is what I say about Gholston, everyone always wants another Derrick Thomas here, athletically speaking this guy is as close as you are gonna get to another DT.

I don't know what DT's numbers were, but I see this guy as a half-step slower, but way stronger than DT. If people were convinced he could translate that talent into performance, he'd go #1 without any questions asked.

melbar · 04-22-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

What part of 14 motherfucking sacks in 13 games in the Big Ten doesn't register in your skull?

Great. Long had as many and several other guys had more. Doesnt make them top 5 picks for a cover 2 team. Are sack stats all that register in your skull?

Mecca · 04-22-2008, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar

There are tons of guys with big muscles, it doesnt make them Hall of famers. Theres a couple of big guys at my gym too, but it doesnt effect their ability to play football. Guys still have to be football players. Bruce was also a lot bigger if you want to talk physical. This guy aint Bruce Smith. C Long is universally considered better. Gholston is seen by most as a 3-4 guy. Not a cover 2 guy.

Again, he's talented, and could take the next step, but most of the hype is because of the combine and those pics at the top of the page. Every guy out there says the film doesnt back up the hype.

It must just be me but I don't love Chris Long, I don't think he'll bust but there is a legit chance that he'll only be a solid player that records is 7-10 sacks a year but never dominates.

tk13 · 04-22-2008, 10:20 PM

I actually agree with Mecca, if we ended up with Gholston and Groves, that right there probably make a good draft. I think a rotation of Gholston/Groves/Hali could be pretty strong.... it would mask a lot of other defensive problems... just like the Giants big 3 pass rushers do.

And we'd still have so many picks left over, we would still have the chance to legitimately draft an average to above-average starting LT and RT.

Brock · 04-22-2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It must just be me but I don't love Chris Long, I don't think he'll bust but there is a legit chance that he'll only be a solid player that records is 7-10 sacks a year but never dominates.

I think he'll be a very solid 10 year player, just like his old man.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-22-2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar

There are tons of guys with big muscles, it doesnt make them Hall of famers. Theres a couple of big guys at my gym too, but it doesnt effect their ability to play football. Guys still have to be football players. Bruce was also a lot bigger if you want to talk physical. This guy aint Bruce Smith. C Long is universally considered better. Gholston is seen by most as a 3-4 guy. Not a cover 2 guy.

Again, he's talented, and could take the next step, but most of the hype is because of the combine and those pics at the top of the page. Every guy out there says the film doesnt back up the hype.

Vernon Gholston is a prototypical Cover 2 end. He is undersized and fast as hell. He's as big as Dwight Freeney, stronger, and faster, and he was a better college player.

Mecca · 04-22-2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I actually agree with Mecca, if we ended up with Gholston and Groves, that right there probably make a good draft. I think a rotation of Gholston/Groves/Hali could be pretty strong.... it would mask a lot of other defensive problems... just like the Giants big 3 pass rushers do.

And we'd still have so many picks left over, we would still have the chance to legitimately draft an average to above-average starting LT and RT.

Gholston and Groves would be outstanding they are prototypes for this defense.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-22-2008, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar

Great. Long had as many and several other guys had more. Doesnt make them top 5 picks for a cover 2 team. Are sack stats all that register in your skull?

If the guy was a great player in college and has all the tools you need to succeed in the pros, what about that doesn't scream elite prospect.

Bill Parcells will rue the motherfucking day he passed on Vernon Gholston. I guarantee it.

Mecca · 04-22-2008, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Vernon Gholston is a prototypical Cover 2 end. He is undersized and fast as hell. He's as big as Dwight Freeney, stronger, and faster, and he was a better college player.

22 .5 sacks in the last 2 years 30.5 tackles behind the line of scrimmage what a bum

That Vernon he's just a workout warrior he never produced eh? Some people just see numbers and don't realize he has the ridiculous natural talent and production.

kcfan82 · 04-22-2008, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar

There are tons of guys with big muscles, it doesnt make them Hall of famers. Theres a couple of big guys at my gym too, but it doesnt effect their ability to play football. Guys still have to be football players. Bruce was also a lot bigger if you want to talk physical. This guy aint Bruce Smith. C Long is universally considered better. Gholston is seen by most as a 3-4 guy. Not a cover 2 guy.

Again, he's talented, and could take the next step, but most of the hype is because of the combine and those pics at the top of the page. Every guy out there says the film doesnt back up the hype.

He also ran a 4.65 and had a vertical jump of 35 inches, ask the 260 lb guys at your gym if they can do that

He's a right defensive end which means stay at home on the run and pin your ears back and kill the QB on a pass, not really the toughest posistion to play outside of beating the man in front of you.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-22-2008, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

22 .5 sacks in the last 2 years 30.5 tackles behind the line of scrimmage what a bum

That Vernon he's just a workout warrior he never produced eh? Some people just see numbers and don't realize he has the ridiculous natural talent and production.

That's why I chose him at #1.

**cdcox** · 04-22-2008, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

I think he'll be a very solid 10 year player, just like his old man.

Yeah, they put solid 10 year players in the hall every year.

SBK · 04-22-2008, 10:25 PM

Ok, I've changed my mind. I'm totally cool with Gholston. I never figured he'd be around for our pick, but you never know.....

04-22-2008, 09:39 PM
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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1952500	I actually agree with Mecca, if we ended up with Gholston and Groves, that right there probably make a good draft. I think a rotation of Gholston/Groves/Hali could be pretty strong.... it would mask a lot of other defensive problems... just like the Giants big 3 pass rushers do. And we'd still have so many picks left over, we would still have the chance to legitimately draft an average to above-average starting LT and RT.
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SBK Curry is the pick??? Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Georgia Casino cash: $10004900	Ok, I've changed my mind. I'm totally cool with Gholston. I never figured he'd be around for our pick, but you never know.....
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