NFL Draft I guess this means Gholston is a Chief? - Page 15

kcfan82 · 04-22-2008, 09:39 PM

Fine by me....

**Rausch** · 04-23-2008, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

He passed up Pace for James Farrior and Stephen Jackson for Julius Jones. Bobby Carpenter was another great pick...look at his 2006 draft FFS. Just god awful. It's seriously as bad as the Chiefs' 2004 draft.

I'd agree with Stephen Jackson. He was a rare talent anyone could see.

Farrior isn't a bust. He's been a very productive player.

And you can't argue with success. If he was just lucky how did he build 3 different teams up to contenders? Was he lucky with FA's, lucky with a great GM, AND lucky on game day?

Mecca · 04-23-2008, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Ill-Logical

Don't worry unless we move up in the draft that choice is unlikely.

How do you figure?

Gholston making it to the Chiefs is actually more likely than unlikely.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 04-23-2008, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

How do you figure?

Gholston making it to the Chiefs is actually more likely than unlikely.

The ONLY scenario I see Gholston going before 5 is if St. Louis is actually going to a 3-4 and is zeroing in on him. I think that's a slim chance. He'll be there IMO. So will Ellis. So will a whole litany of OT's. As happy as I am right now, I could be very unhappy come 12:45 on my birfday.

Mecca · 04-23-2008, 01:26 AM

The Rams are to Long Dorsey or trade out, if the Jets do move into that spot that may suck because they may covet Gholston.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-23-2008, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I'd agree with Stephen Jackson. He was a rare talent anyone could see.

Farrior isn't a bust. He's been a very productive player.

And you can't argue with success. If he was just lucky how did he build 3 different teams up to contenders? Was he lucky with FA's, lucky with a great GM, AND lucky on game day?

Farrior isn't a Hall of Fame Left Tackle and he's on his second team.

What was the common denominator in all of Parcells' success??

Bill Belichick.

Parcells has never won a playoff game without Belichick as his D-Coordinator. Not one.

He's been HC for four teams and never won a playoff game without him.

Parcells is one of the most overrated coaches in NFL history.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 04-23-2008, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The Rams are to Long Dorsey or trade out, if the Jets do move into that spot that may suck because they may covet Gholston.

IF the Jets move to 2, it's going to be something like:

J. Long
Gholston
Dorsey
C. Long

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 04-23-2008, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Flopnuts

IF the Jets move to 2, it's going to be something like:

J. Long
Gholston
Dorsey
C. Long

Although, if Arthur Blank has his way Glenn Dorsey will be a Chief.

Mecca · 04-23-2008, 01:30 AM

I still don't think the Jets will move I think they covet McFadden they spent a ton of money on their D in FA if they really are trying to make a run this year then McFadden is probably their guy.

**Rausch** · 04-23-2008, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Farrior isn't a Hall of Fame Left Tackle and he's on his second team.

What was the common denominator in all of Parcells' success??

Bill Belichick.

Parcells has never won a playoff game without Belichick as his D-Coordinator. Not one.

He's been HC for four teams and never won a playoff game without him.

Parcells is one of the most overrated coaches in NFL history.

Jerry Jones never won a super bowl without Michael Irvin. Does that make Irvin a genius?

Does it take from Parcells' legacy that he kept Belichick on his team as long as possible or make him a genius?...

**Rausch** · 04-23-2008, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I still don't think the Jets will move I think they covet McFadden they spent a ton of money on their D in FA if they really are trying to make a run this year then McFadden is probably their guy.

Ryan could go there as well.

BigRock · 04-23-2008, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I still don't think the Jets will move I think they covet McFadden they spent a ton of money on their D in FA if they really are trying to make a run this year then McFadden is probably their guy.

If they really want McFadden, they may want to move ahead of Oakland. So a trade up doesn't necessarily mean they're after Gholston.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-23-2008, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

(Not you Dane, but) Black players can have good motors too. It's like I'm arguing against Larry Bird fans here...

It's really Grant Wistrom versus Derrick Thomas/ Bruce Smith

Gholston's report:

Has an outstanding motor...Does a solid job against the run...Has excellent range and is a terror in pursuit...Is able to get pressure off the edge or as a bull rusher...Good tackler...A hard worker with top intangibles...Very productive...Versatile and can play more than one position...Still has some upside.

Yeah, I should have put that in quotes because that was my point.

Damn 16 hours of sleep in 4 days! (not to mention, typing with one finger!)

**Rausch** · 04-23-2008, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

If they really want McFadden, they may want to move ahead of Oakland. So a trade up doesn't necessarily mean they're after Gholston.

There is no cut and dry lock this draft.

I think there will be a lot of stay-n-take teams. Unless I was at the ass-end there's no way I'd trade up this year in the first...

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-23-2008, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Jerry Jones never won a super bowl without Michael Irvin. Does that make Irvin a genius?

Does it take from Parcells' legacy that he kept Belichick on his team as long as possible or make him a genius?...

Bill Walsh never won a Super Bowl without Joe Montana.

Mike Holmgren never won a Super Bowl without Brett Favre.

Mike Shanahan never won a Super Bowl without John Elway.

Tom Flores never won a Super Bowl without Jim Plunkett.

Jimmy Johnson never a won a Super Bowl without Troy Aikman.

Dick Vermeil never won Super Bowl without Kurt Warner.

Does that mean that they all suck as coaches?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-23-2008, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Jerry Jones never won a super bowl without Michael Irvin. Does that make Irvin a genius?

Does it take from Parcells' legacy that he kept Belichick on his team as long as possible or make him a genius?...

He's smart enough to know when he has good assistants, but it's pretty damned telling that once said assistants leave, so does his success.

This wasn't a fluke scenario. He coached at NE before BB was Dc and had no success (even lost to him in the playoffs). Belichick comes aboard and viola. And yet when Belichick is with the Pats, Parcells can't win a single playoff game in a very very weak conference.

Mike Tice has more playoff wins in the last ten years than Bill Parcells. Could we please not lionize the guy just because he's a good soundbyte.

04-22-2008, 09:39 PM
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2597050	I still don't think the Jets will move I think they covet McFadden they spent a ton of money on their D in FA if they really are trying to make a run this year then McFadden is probably their guy.
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