3 Rd Mock - Page 3

Mr. Laz · 12:46 PM

2005 DRAFT TWO-ROUND PROJECTION
March 31, 2005 * indicates underclassman
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First round

1 San Francisco Braylon Edwards WR Michigan

2 Miami Ronnie Brown RB Auburn

3 Cleveland *Alex Smith QB Utah

4 Chicago *Mike Williams WR Southern California

5 Tampa Bay Cedric Benson RB Texas

6 Tennessee *Adam Jones CB West Virginia

7 Minnesota (from Oakland) *Troy Williamson WR South Carolina

8 Arizona *Aaron Rodgers QB California

9 Washington *Shawn Merriman DE Maryland

10 Detroit Derrick Johnson LB Texas

11 Dallas Alex Barron OT Florida State

12 San Diego (from NY Giants) Antrel Rolle CB Miami

13 Houston Carnell Williams RB Auburn

14 Carolina Travis Johnson DT Florida State

15 Kansas City Erasmus James DE Wisconsin

16 New Orleans Carlos Rogers CB Auburn

17 Cincinnati Shaun Cody DT Southern California

18 Minnesota David Pollack DE Georgia

19 St. Louis *Heath Miller TE Virginia

20 Dallas (from Buffalo) Marcus Spears DE LSU

21 Jacksonville Mark Clayton WR Oklahoma

22 Baltimore Roddy White WR Alabama-Birmingham

23 Seattle Dan Cody DE Oklahoma

24 Green Bay Matt Roth DE Iowa

25 Denver *Justin Miller CB Clemson

26 New York Jets Luis Castillo DT Northwestern

27 Atlanta Khalif Barnes OT Washington

28 San Diego Reggie Brown WR Georgia

29 Indianapolis Marlin Jackson CB Michigan

30 Pittsburgh Demarcus Ware LB Troy State

31 Philadelphia *Odell Thurman LB Georgia

32 New England *Channing Crowder LB Florida

Second round

33 San Francisco *Thomas Davis FS Georgia

34 Cleveland Jammal Brown OT Oklahoma

35 Philadelphia (from Miami) *Ciatrick Fason RB Florida

36 Tampa Bay David Baas C/G Michigan

37 Tennessee Matt Jones WR Arkansas

38 Oakland *Fabian Washington CB Nebraska

39 Chicago Alex Smith TE Stanford

40 New Orleans (from Washington) Atiyyah Ellison DT Missouri

41 Detroit *Brodney Pool FS Oklahoma

42 Dallas Kevin Burnett LB Tennessee

43 New York Giants *C.J. Moseley DT Missouri

44 Arizona Corey Webster CB LSU

45 Carolina Elton Brown OG Virginia

46 Kansas City Mike Patterson DT Southern California

47 Houston Eric Green CB Virginia Tech

48 Cincinnati Barrett Ruud LB Nebraska

49 Minnesota *Ernest Shazor SS Michigan

50 St. Louis Marcus Johnson OG Mississippi

51 Green Bay (from New Orleans) *Brandon Browner DB Oregon State

52 Jacksonville Justin Tuck DE Notre Dame

53 Baltimore Anttaj Hawthorne DT Wisconsin

54 Seattle *Daryl Blackstock LB Virginia

55 Buffalo Chris Colmer OT North Carolina State

56 Denver Jonathan Babineaux DT Iowa

57 New York Jets Bryant McFadden CB Florida State

58 Green Bay Andrew Walter QB Arizona State

59 Atlanta *Chris Henry WR West Virginia

60 Indianapolis *Jovan Haye DE Vanderbilt

61 San Diego Chris Canty DE Virginia

62 Pittsburgh Vincent Jackson WR Northern Colorado

63 Philadelphia Cro Thorpe WR Florida State

64 New England Mark Bradley WR Oklahoma

Third round

65 San Francisco Logan Mankins OG Fresno State

66 St. Louis (from Miami) Sione Pouha DT Utah

67 Cleveland Donte Nicholson SS Oklahoma

68 Tennessee Wesley Britt OT Alabama

69 Oakland *Chris Spencer C Mississippi

70 Miami (from Chicago) Evan Mathis OG Alabama

71 Tampa Bay Adam Terry OT Syracuse

72 Detroit Adam Snyder OT Oregon

73 Houston (from Dallas) Fred Gibson WR Georgia

74 New York Giants *Josh Bullocks FS Nebraska

75 Arizona Kay-Jay Harris RB West Virginia

76 Washington Courtney Roby WR Indiana

77 Philadelphia (from Kansas City) Chris Kemoeatu OG Utah

78 Houston Micahel Munoz OT Tennessee

79 Carolina *Marion Barber RB Minnesota

80 Minnesota Mike Nugent PK Ohio State

81 St. Louis Jason Campbell QB Auburn

82 New Orleans *Rian Wallace LB Temple

83 Cincinnati Stanley Wilson CB Stanford

84 Baltimore Jeremy Parquet OT Southern Mississippi

85 Seattle J.J. Arrington RB California

86 Buffalo Claude Terrell OG New Mexico

87 Jacksonville *Eric Shelton RB Louisville

88 New York Jets Jerome Mathis WR Hampton

89 Green Bay Alfred Fincher LB UConn

Denver - lost due to salary cap violations

90 Atlanta Ronald Bartell CB Howard

91 Tampa Bay (from San Diego) Anthony Bryant DT Alabama

92 Indianapolis Kirk Morrison LB San Diego State

93 Pittsburgh Darrent Williams CB Oklahoma State

94 Philadelphia Michael Boley LB Southern Mississippi

95 Arizona (from New England) Lorenzo Alexander DT California

96(c) Tennessee Charlie Frye QB Akron

97(c) Denver *Ryan Moats RB Louisiana Tech

98(c) Seattle Robert McCune LB Louisville

99(c) Kansas City Jordan Beck LB Cal-Poly

100(c) New England Dan Buenning OG Wisconsin

101(c) Denver Dustin Colquitt P Tennessee

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**CosmicPal** · 03-31-2005, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rufusmaqe

Wow.

I can't decide which I like less - the mock draft originally posted, or your list...

Sorry.

Care to elaborate further, hotshot?

philfree · 03-31-2005, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmicPal

I don't like that mock at all....

James, I can be happy with at the first pick, but Patterson and the OG in the third- no way! Nothing wrong with Patterson, but Carl- listen to me, please- YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO PICK A DT. Don't pick another one. Particularly when there are still a lot of good players left on the board in the second round, which will be lost due to the fact we should be getting Surtain. But, let's say we do have the 2nd rounder- I say pick up one of the following in the 2nd round, which would be better for us than Patterson:

Blackstock, LB, Virginia
McFadden, CB, FSU
Browner, DB, Oregon St.
Tuck, DE, Notre Dame
Canty, DE, Virginia
or Ruud, LB, Nebraska

Any of those guys will be better than Patterson. Damn, if all of those guys would be available in the 2nd round- trade down, pick up an extra pick and get two of those guys.

For the third round, instead of the guard, I'd love to see us get either Courtney Roby, WR, Indiana OR Robert McCune, LB, Louisville.

Lastly, the Jorden Beck pick would be awesome! I'd be elated if he fell to us there, but I doubt that would happen.

It's all speculation but i think you're wrong about all those guys being better then Patterson. I think he'd be great with the way we rotate or linemen and we could get alot out of his interior pass rush skills.

PhilFree

Big Chief Homer · 03-31-2005, 04:08 PM

If they take a DE in the first and a DT in the second i'm gonna go fuggin' Ballistic.

Maybe i really should go to work that day.

**CosmicPal** · 03-31-2005, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philfree

It's all speculation but i think you're wrong about all those guys being better then Patterson. I think he'd be great with the way we rotate or linemen and we could get alot out of his interior pass rush skills.

PhilFree

Quite honestly, I don't know enough of Patterson, but my discourse is not so much with Patterson, but the fact that we would be drafting a DT in the 2nd round when clearly, we have so many other needs to be filled.

But, what really gets me, is the fact that we've done nothing but draft DT's it seems. It's like trying to hit the bulls-eye, only instead of having three darts- Carl is using a hundred darts, and STILL can't hit the bulls-eye. That's my problem.

Patterson may clearly be the better player than all of those I suggested in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, but I just feel those players would better improve our needs.

htismaqe · 03-31-2005, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmicPal

Care to elaborate further, hotshot?

Hey, there's no need to call names here. I'm sorry if my post sounded condescending, I didn't mean it that way. I was just stating that I don't like your list.

I've elaborated on why several times ad nauseum, but I'll do it again since I apparently offended you.

First of all, I'm looking for guys that can contribute Day 1 -- that means polish, and it means taking guys with good fundamentals that were productive in college over guys with good 40 times and lots of upside.

Guys I would target:
Marlin Jackson
David Pollack
Carlos Rogers
Matt Roth

Blackstock - everything I've read and seen tells me he's a one-dimensional pass rush specialist. I want day 1 impact out of this draft and, regardless of talent, he won't have impact if he's only on the field in 3rd-and-long situations. Analysis: Project, not polished

Browner - only 2 years of organized ball...pretty much ALL upside with very little experience. Analysis: Project, not polished

Tuck - the only thing that worries me here is that I read his reports and often see "tweener". With the Chiefs, that scares me. Plus, he seems to be a carbon-bopy of Jared Allen and we really need a replacement for Eric Hicks.

McFadden - I actually like this one...

Canty - I worry about his injury status. If that's OK, he could be a good NFL DE.

I really like your idea of going for Roby later.

**CosmicPal** · 03-31-2005, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rufusmaqe

Hey, there's no need to call names here. I'm sorry if my post sounded condescending, I didn't mean it that way. I was just stating that I don't like your list.

I've elaborated on why several times ad nauseum, but I'll do it again since I apparently offended you.

First of all, I'm looking for guys that can contribute Day 1 -- that means polish, and it means taking guys with good fundamentals that were productive in college over guys with good 40 times and lots of upside.

Guys I would target:
Marlin Jackson
David Pollack
Carlos Rogers
Matt Roth

Blackstock - everything I've read and seen tells me he's a one-dimensional pass rush specialist. I want day 1 impact out of this draft and, regardless of talent, he won't have impact if he's only on the field in 3rd-and-long situations. Analysis: Project, not polished

Browner - only 2 years of organized ball...pretty much ALL upside with very little experience. Analysis: Project, not polished

Tuck - the only thing that worries me here is that I read his reports and often see "tweener". With the Chiefs, that scares me. Plus, he seems to be a carbon-bopy of Jared Allen and we really need a replacement for Eric Hicks.

McFadden - I actually like this one...

Canty - I worry about his injury status. If that's OK, he could be a good NFL DE.

I really like your idea of going for Roby later.

Thanks, I appreciate that. Didn't mean to call you "hotshot" never really meant to imply anything other than a little sarcasm.

I LOVE all of these guys you mentioned: Marlin Jackson, David Pollack,
Carlos Rogers, and Matt Roth! But, all of these guys will be gone in the 2nd round. With the exception of Jackson and Roth, I'd rather have Pollack and Rogers over Eramus James.

I was merely focusing on the second round selections over Patterson. I really don't expect us to get anything other than a "project" in the second round, but if we were to draft a DB in the second round- that DB just might be a better nickle back than Battle or Bartee.

I'm just not happy with picking up a DT in the second round- hence all my other choices as listed earlier.

I do love those four guys you mentioned, and would be absolutely elated to have any of them- particularly if any of them fell in the 2nd round, but I don't see that happening.

Mr. Laz · 03-31-2005, 05:10 PM

a big problem is that there guys we probably are going to need in the 2nd round and miami wants a 2nd round for surtain.

trading for surtain undercuts our drafting a potientially key guy.

like if jackson or roth are there in the 2nd ... but our 2nd is gone for surtain.

dammit ... we should of signed a CB in free agency

milkman · 03-31-2005, 07:46 PM

Is Jordan Beck a late third round pick?

He played at Cal Poly Slo, not exactly a powerhouse.

milkman · 03-31-2005, 07:48 PM

I'd also have to say that picking James, when there are quality CBs there would really be moronic.

Andin round 2, if we don't trade the pick for Surtain, there's no way we should be taking a DT.
That pick would have to be LB.

**Bowser** · 03-31-2005, 07:50 PM

Hell, any one of us could pull names out of a hat as well as this site does...

milkman · 03-31-2005, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

a big problem is that there guys we probably are going to need in the 2nd round and miami wants a 2nd round for surtain.

trading for surtain undercuts our drafting a potientially key guy.

like if jackson or roth are there in the 2nd ... but our 2nd is gone for surtain.

dammit ... we should of signed a CB in free agency

This is why I am hoping that Carl will not only pull the trigger on Surtain, but that he'll trade down in the first, and pick up a 2nd.
There really are a lot of players in the 2nd round that could contribute on D for us.

I know, this is the real world, and I'm just dreaming.
But sometimes, even a cynic like me has to have a dream.

Dammit Carl!

Mr. Laz · 03-31-2005, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser

Hell, any one of us could pull names out of a hat as well as this site does...

that's not true ... i've seen a ranking of the history of correct predictions etc and they had GBN 3rd with like 75% correct.

**Bowser** · 03-31-2005, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

that's not true ... i've seen a ranking of the history of correct predictions etc and they had GBN 3rd with like 75% correct.

Well, I hope for the sake of the Chiefs that this isn't true....

Mr. Laz · 03-31-2005, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser

Well, I hope for the sake of the Chiefs that this isn't true....

i didn't say any particular pick was correct... just that they aren't without some credibility

**Tribal Warfare** · 03-31-2005, 09:01 PM

like I said if KC doesn't make a play for Derrick Johnson at the #9 or #10 range I'll be pissed

03-31-2005, 12:39 PM
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