Hillis, Wylie and Dorsey out; Brown doubtful

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Adam Teicher ‏@adamteicher

#Chiefs injury report for Sunday: Hillis, Wylie and Dorsey out; Brown doubtful; Pitoitua, Derrick Johnson and Lewis questionable . . .



Adam Teicher ‏@adamteicher

Flowers, Baldwin and Lilja are probable

[milkman]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

jj watt

vs

dorsey
jackson
powe
bailey


scheme is an excuse...our players are one dimensional, at best...good players make an impact

The difference between the Texans and Chiefs defense and personnel starts with Pioli and Crennel's phlosophy v.Rick Smith and Wade Phillips' philosophy.

The Chiefs are looking for players that fit into their philosophy of reading and reacting while the Texans are searching for players that attack.

So what you get with the Chiefs are guys like Jackson who are asked to read and diagnose plays, and then asked to get off blocks to make plays.

Meanwhile, JJ Watt is asked to attack a gap, forcing O-Linemen to react to him.

Read and react is an atequated idea that was designed to stop the running game and put teams into third and 6 or longer situations.

Then, when we do get teams into third and long situations, we get into this ridiculous 2-3-6 scheme that only sends 3 guys after the passer.

So what we do is try to stop the run in a passing league, and then try to defend the pass rather than attack the passer.

It's just a ****ing abortion.

[mcaj22]

i wouldnt have a problem with the front 7 if they were actually legit at shutting down the run.

but they even suck at priority 1, what they are suppose to do. so i have no faith when they try to stop the pass either. Terrible at both, and the scheme is designed to shut the run down.

That's what makes me think some of these guys are not that a talented/borderline bust.

Tyson Jackson was hyped as a Richard Seymour coming out. Guess what, Big Dick Seymour was a ****ing playmaker that also rushed the passer in the same exact scheme and position. That's talent. Not being an average role player

[milkman]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

i wouldnt have a problem with the front 7 if they were actually legit at shutting down the run.

but they even suck at priority 1, what they are suppose to do. so i have no faith when they try to stop the pass either. Terrible at both, and the scheme is designed to shut the run down.

That's what makes me think some of these guys are not that a talented/borderline bust.

Tyson Jackson was hyped as a Richard Seymour coming out. Guess what, Big Dick Seymour was a ****ing playmaker that also rushed the passer in the same exact scheme and position. That's talent. Not being an average role player

No, actually, if anyone was paying attention, Jackson was being compared to Ty Warren.

If he lived up to that, it's still a terrible waste of a #5 overall.

But the fact is, Jackson and Dorsey were among the best run defenders in the league last year at their respective positions, but we didn't have a NT worth two ****s.


Now we are seeing this 2-3-6 scheme a lot this year, even on first down, and it puts a lot of responsibility on DJ and Berry, and asks them to cover a lot of area, and this defense is being gashed hard.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Herm also said this on 810 the other day.

Anybody ask him why we didn't trade up with the Dolphins or Rams? IIRC, they were both open to trade talks.

[Buckweath]

The defense has been slightly disappointing but still good overall, all things considered. The Bills game was the only real disappointment.

That offense is on pace to break the NFL history record for turnovers, what do you guys exactly expect playing against top qbs like brees, Ryan, rivers??

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Buckweath

The defense has been slightly disappointing but still good overall, all things considered. The Bills game was the only real disappointment.

That offense is on pace to break the NFL history record for turnovers, what do you guys exactly expect playing against top qbs like brees, Ryan, rivers??

I expect this defense to get pressure and at least force the QB to get rid of the ball on third and long plays.

Instead, we are dropping 8 in coverage, rushing 3, give the QB time to scan the field, sign autographs, flirt with the cheerleaders, and find the open receiver for big third down conversions consistently.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by milkman

The difference between the Texans and Chiefs defense and personnel starts with Pioli and Crennel's phlosophy v.Rick Smith and Wade Phillips' philosophy.

The Chiefs are looking for players that fit into their philosophy of reading and reacting while the Texans are searching for players that attack.

So what you get with the Chiefs are guys like Jackson who are asked to read and diagnose plays, and then asked to get off blocks to make plays.

Meanwhile, JJ Watt is asked to attack a gap, forcing O-Linemen to react to him.

Read and react is an atequated idea that was designed to stop the running game and put teams into third and 6 or longer situations.

Then, when we do get teams into third and long situations, we get into this ridiculous 2-3-6 scheme that only sends 3 guys after the passer.

So what we do is try to stop the run in a passing league, and then try to defend the pass rather than attack the passer.

It's just a ****ing abortion.

BRAVO..! grinds my gears to no end.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by Buckweath

The defense has been slightly disappointing but still good overall, all things considered. The Bills game was the only real disappointment.

That offense is on pace to break the NFL history record for turnovers, what do you guys exactly expect playing against top qbs like brees, Ryan, rivers??

That's a really good question, Mr. Buckweath. What should we expect?

As a scientist, blackberry cobbler aficionado, and 5-hour energy addict, I can tell you that this is the kind of probing, insightful question that requires maximum brain power combined with moderate amounts of liquor ... not necessarily in that order.

But let's take a look anyway.

When you evaluate this situation with cold, analytical objectivity, we have proven talent on the defensive side of the ball, but that talent has been handicapped overall by injury and a toothless offense that constantly puts the defense in difficult, if not impossible, situations.

Further, we also have a DC who is part-time and running a scheme that (optimistically) is attempting to compensate for injuries and fatigue and missing players or (pessimistically) has been living off a philosophy and reputation the modern NFL passed by some time ago. (I'd like to say that pun was intended, but it really wasn't.)

Now, in light of all that (plus an assortment of unknown variables and other, as yet undetermined, factors clearly beyond the comprehension of mortal man), it appears that, since the average NFL offense has about 11 or 12 possessions per game, we should theoretically hold the enemy (or acquire a turnover) 50% of the time, restrict the enemy to field goal attempts on 30% of their possessions, and allow the bastards to score a touchdown 20% of the time.

Assuming the enemy makes all their FGAs and XPAs, this means we should allow somewhere in the neighborhood of 25 points a game. So far, we're allowing an average of 35 (just under, but in scientific terms; what the hey?).

Therefore and in summary, it appears that, given the absolute inept play of the offense and the other problems facing us, the defense seems to be performing just to expectations.

FAX

[Demonpenz]

Dorsey...never got his shit together.

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I was also talking with someone on Tuesday that was in the Chiefs draft room in 2008. That person insisted that if Matt Ryan fell to 5, the Chiefs were taking him.

Ex Patriots ****ing us again.

too ****ing bad they didn't trade up for him. it wasn't as expensive to do so back then.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by milkman

No, actually, if anyone was paying attention, Jackson was being compared to Ty Warren.

If he lived up to that, it's still a terrible waste of a #5 overall.

But the fact is, Jackson and Dorsey were among the best run defenders in the league last year at their respective positions, but we didn't have a NT worth two ****s.


Now we are seeing this 2-3-6 scheme a lot this year, even on first down, and it puts a lot of responsibility on DJ and Berry, and asks them to cover a lot of area, and this defense is being gashed hard.

I thought it was somebody from the Cowboys Super Bowl teams. Russel Maryland maybe?

[O.city]

Great pick Wylie was

[mcaj22]

either way

Ty Warren, Seymour, Russel Maryland. He was compared to ****ing playmakers. Guys in that scheme that still would make a ****ing play, rush the passer, push the pocket, etc.

He doesn't have that. At all all. He's average talent. Big body, strong, but he's not a freak. He was picked before BJ Raji. That is what makes Pioli look stupid. His dumb ego and dumb philosophies. He doesnt draft BPA, he drafts by his strategy because he thinks hes smarter than the rest of the NFL. That doesnt make the talent good just because Pioli thinks it fits in a scheme