Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 171

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

siberian khatru · 04-10-2013, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Didn't we used to have some monstrous black guy who crushed 500 foot bombs 1% of the time but sucked the other 99%? I feel like he had three names and came from the Reds...

Calvin Pickering?

Hootie · 04-10-2013, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

I might be thinking of Wily Mo Pena. Didn't we sign him at one point?

sounds about right

**Dartgod** · 04-10-2013, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Didn't we used to have some monstrous black guy who crushed 500 foot bombs 1% of the time but sucked the other 99%? I feel like he had three names and came from the Reds...

Did Mike Jacobs have a black brother?

**Saul Good** · 04-10-2013, 12:19 PM

I'm enjoying this trip down memory lane.

How about "best season by a Royal that nobody remembers"? I'll nominate Dean Palmer 1998. .278/34/119

**Saul Good** · 04-10-2013, 12:21 PM

Gary Gaetti 1995. .261/35/96

siberian khatru · 04-10-2013, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

I'm enjoying this trip down memory lane.

How about "best season by a Royal that nobody remembers"? I'll nominate Dean Palmer 1998. .278/34/119

Jay Bell 1997: .291/21/92

**gblowfish** · 04-10-2013, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Nominations for the all washed-up team:

Bill Buckner
Pat Tabler
Wally Joyner
Greg Jeffries
Jason Kendall
Benito Santiago

Those are good ones.
Here's other nominees that haven't been mentioned yet for the All Washed Up Team:

Gary Gaetti
Jose Guillen
Gaylord Perry
Rick Ankiel
Floyd Bannister
Mike Boddicker
Bob Boone
Orlando Cepeda
Terry Pendleton
Tommy Davis
Bucky Dent
Jeff Francis
Greg Gagne
Tony Graffanino
Gregg Jeffries
Jeff King
Jose Lima
Ron Mahay
Jerry Martin
Lee May
Keith Miller
Hal Morris
Hideo Nomo
Vada Pinson
Sidney Ponson
Mark Redman
Bombo Rivera
Juan Samuel
George Scott
Matt Stairs
Brett Tomko

Oh, and on my all time stinky starters, you have to give a thought to the immortal Eduardo Villacis, and his one start in Yankee Stadium.

**Saul Good** · 04-10-2013, 12:22 PM

Jay Bell 1997. .291/21/92

**gblowfish** · 04-10-2013, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

Limatime

Lima's wife had the best balcony in baseball...

**Saul Good** · 04-10-2013, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish

Those are good ones.
Here's other nominees that haven't been mentioned yet for the All Washed Up Team:

Gary Gaetti
Jose Guillen
Gaylord Perry
Rick Ankiel
Floyd Bannister
Mike Boddicker
Bob Boone
Orlando Cepeda
Terry Pendleton
Tommy Davis
Bucky Dent
Jeff Francis
Greg Gagne
Tony Graffanino
Gregg Jeffries
Jeff King
Jose Lima
Ron Mahay
Jerry Martin
Lee May
Keith Miller
Hal Morris
Hideo Nomo
Vada Pinson
Sidney Ponson
Mark Redman
Bombo Rivera
Juan Samuel
George Scott
Matt Stairs
Brett Tomko

Oh, and on my all time stinky starters, you have to give a thought to the immortal Eduardo Villacis, and his one start in Yankee Stadium.

Several of those guys were far from washed up.

mr. tegu · 04-10-2013, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

I'm enjoying this trip down memory lane.

How about "best season by a Royal that nobody remembers"? I'll nominate Dean Palmer 1998. .278/34/119

Brian Bannister 2007 - 12-9, 3.87 ERA, 3rd in AL ROY voting just in front of Dice K.

siberian khatru · 04-10-2013, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Nominations for the all washed-up team:

Bill Buckner
Pat Tabler
Wally Joyner
Greg Jeffries
Jason Kendall
Benito Santiago

Jefferies wasn't washed up. He hit .342 the year after we traded him, .325 the year after that.

**Saul Good** · 04-10-2013, 12:25 PM

Greg Gagne for all washed up...

**Bowser** · 04-10-2013, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

How about favorite Royals who weren't very good?

I loved Mike McDougle...Rusty Meachem, too.

Bob Hamelin was awesome.

Warren Cromartie
Hubie Brooks

Kila Kia'ahue

**gblowfish** · 04-10-2013, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Several of those guys were far from washed up.

Depends on how you define it.

Many of these guys were just playing out the string here. Others went on to play better elsewhere once they left here (Like Jeffries and Stairs). Hell, look at what Raul Ibanez did after he left KC.

All of these guys on the list had their best years elsewhere, that's for sure.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1710308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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04-10-2013, 12:19 PM	#2554
Saul Good Quit your bullshit Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bored of winning Casino cash: $10052799	I'm enjoying this trip down memory lane. How about "best season by a Royal that nobody remembers"? I'll nominate Dean Palmer 1998. .278/34/119 __________________ Today is not a good day to be a pussy.
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Saul Good Quit your bullshit Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bored of winning Casino cash: $10052799	Greg Gagne for all washed up... __________________ Today is not a good day to be a pussy.
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