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After a bloated Super Bowl in Dallas, it's time to rein in big game

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After a bloated Super Bowl in Dallas, it's time to rein in big game

By Sally Jenkins
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, February 8, 2011; 12:06 AM

It's a rough morning-after for the NFL. The Dallas Super Bowl was a bender, but now that the confetti has fallen, it looks like litter. The hangover has hit, a splitting headache and a sour stomach from the $19 margaritas and the $12 wine and the $10 beers and the rest of the fiscal insanity. Is this really what the NFL wants to become? A divorced-from-reality debauch?

I don't know about you, but I don't want to live in Jerry World. In Jerry World, a $1.15 billion stadium looks like the Taj Mahal on the outside, but inside some of the seats violate the fire code. In Jerry World, the state of Texas spends $31 million to host the Super Bowl, even as deficits force public school cuts. In Jerry World, it can cost $900 just to park. In Jerry World, fans pay hundreds of dollars to stand outside the stadium.

Buried somewhere in all of the superbull, the booze, bad concerts and relentless commercial squeeze, there was a good football game between the Green Bay Packers and the Pittsburgh Steelers. But to be honest, it was an ancillary event. The NFL may want to rethink that strategy. It may also want to rethink its tendency to look like the Marie Antoinette of the sports world.

Everything you need to know about the future of the NFL could be seen in the gloriously decadent stadium that hosted this Super Bowl. As NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell pointed out, "Quite frankly, that's our stage." It was the cleanest, safest, nicest stadium anyone has ever visited. It was also the most extravagant and economically stratified. It cost double what Jerry Jones said it would, and taxpayers financed about a quarter of it, yet its innermost marble interiors are totally inaccessible to the average fan.

A tipping point was reached with this Super Bowl, for me. It was the screwed-over anger of those 1,250 people without seats that did it. Those travel-weary, cash-whipped fans paid small fortunes to go to the game, only to discover their stubs were no good, because fire marshals declared some sections unsafe. All of a sudden the whole thing seemed offensive. It was just too much.

For absurdity, how about those four Navy F-18s flying over the stadium - with its retractable roof closed? Everybody inside could only see the planes on the stadium's video screens. It was strictly a two-second beauty shot. Know what it cost taxpayers? I'll tell you: $450,000. (The Navy justifies the expense by saying it's good for recruiting.)

It's not clear what the pain threshold of the average NFL fan is: Thirty-two owners digging relentlessly in our pockets haven't found the bottom yet. But the NFL would be advised to recognize that it's getting close. Those folks who found themselves without seats? Many were among the league's most loyal paying customers, season ticket holders. Yet they were treated like afterthoughts, awarded half-built, jerry-rigged seats, folding chairs on auxiliary platforms. Which begs the question of what the "NFL fan experience" really means anymore. A day later the league did its best to make it up to them with offers of tickets to Super Bowl XLVI in Indianapolis and Goodell called it "obviously a failure on our part."

This Super Bowl was the future, and it set some lousy precedents. Every owner in the league wants a stadium like this one, and they will be pitching - maybe even extorting - their communities to help them build one. They want ever-larger luxury suites and bigger restaurants, and giant scoreboards and TVs, so they can replicate this Super Bowl, and sell standing room space in plazas and blocked views of a big screen for $200.

"Of the 100,000 and change tickets they sold, how many of those people actually had seats, and how many could actually see the field?" asks Neil deMause, a stadium-financing watchdog who co-authored the book, "Field of Schemes." He adds: "That's revolutionary if you can sell tickets to not actually watch the game. That's a whole new ballgame. So obviously everybody is saying, 'Hey, we want to get one of those.' "

It's the shiny new toy in the league. New stadiums are such a priority for owners that it's a critical piece of the labor negotiations taking place with the players' union. A major reason owners resent the 60 percent cut of revenue that goes to players is because it's not easy to finance stadium projects. They want a restructured agreement so "we can make the kinds of investments that grow this game," Goodell says, bemoaning the fact that no new construction has started since 2006.

But how much growth does the league need? It already generates an estimated $8 billion, and owners get the first $1 billion off the top. If you really love the NFL - and I do - you have to wonder if the billionizing of the league is really good for it. The average cost of attending a game for a family of four is $412.64. At Cowboys Stadium, it's a staggering $758.58. That's what the league calls growth.

Don't get me wrong: The Super Bowl can be electrifying for a community, and can be priceless in civic pride. Disclosure: I'm from Fort Worth, and I spent the week down there rooting for it to be a success. Cowboys Stadium is a gorgeous structure with some grand qualities, and Roger Staubach, who lobbied for the game, is a lovely guy.

But in the end, this Super Bowl taught me a lesson: Luxury can actually be debasing. The last great building binge in the NFL was from 1995 through 2003, when 21 stadiums were built or refurbished in order to create more luxury boxes, at cost of $6.4 billion. Know how much of that the public paid for? $4.4 billion. Why are we giving 32 rich guys that kind of money, just to prey on us at the box office and concessions? The Dallas deal should be the last of its kind.

When an owner grows tired of a facility and leaves, guess who picks up the tab? New Jersey still owes $110 million on the old Meadowlands home of the New York Giants and Jets, and when both teams moved to their new $1.6 billion, privately financed stadium, they got a huge tax break. According to the Wall Street Journal under their old agreement they paid $20 million a year in tax revenues; now they will pay only about $6 million a year. Know what New Jersey's deficit is? I'll tell you: $36 billion.

At its best the NFL is a deeply embedded piece of American culture, with an indissoluble bond with fans. But it's grown far removed from the grass-roots recreation it started as, the competitive emblem of mill towns, and their enormous civic resilience. As fans, we share blame for being willing to pay anything for it. We've allowed league owners to cash in on American pride, and hunger for entertainment. We should insist they share American economic problems.
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Old 02-08-2011, 01:48 PM   #2
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Honestly....I think every stadium should be able to host a Superbowl. I'm sure it's not financially feasable for a lot of cities....but I'm getting ****ing tired of seeing the Superbowl in the same 4-5 stadiums.
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I'll always love the game, but the league continues to leave a bad taste in my mouth..eventually, sooner than later, it's just not gonna be worth the price to keep lining their pockets. they might lose on the field, but they win all the way to the bank.
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Old 02-08-2011, 01:59 PM   #4
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This article gets my blood boiling. Stadium deals are nothing more than welfare for billionares. Why not build Bill Gates a $1,000,000,000 skyscraper?
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It costs $900 to park at the Superbowl??
Regular season parking is $50. Don't know what Superbowl parking was but I'd imagine that was a shot at the people who had $900 seats but weren't let in.
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Regular season parking is $50. Don't know what Superbowl parking was but I'd imagine that was a shot at the people who had $900 seats but weren't let in.
Well, those people got triple their money back. That's a really misleading number.
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This article gets my blood boiling. Stadium deals are nothing more than welfare for billionares. Why not build Bill Gates a $1,000,000,000 skyscraper?
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The last great building binge in the NFL was from 1995 through 2003, when 21 stadiums were built or refurbished in order to create more luxury boxes, at cost of $6.4 billion. Know how much of that the public paid for? $4.4 billion. Why are we giving 32 rich guys that kind of money, just to prey on us at the box office and concessions? The Dallas deal should be the last of its kind.
... bothered me the most, and has for years. I don't like tax dollars going to fund stadiums of privately owned teams.

(Although, if you don't want greedy owners to "prey" on you, don't go to the games.)
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... (Although, if you don't want greedy owners to "prey" on you, don't go to the games.)
That's the crux of the situation, right there. Well posted.

Nobody's going to pass a bond for a giant, empty soup bowl.

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It costs $900 to park at the Superbowl??
Ummm, no. There was a company across the street that was charging $900 for people to park in their lot.
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The Super Bowl is now a week long event that just happens to end with a 4 hour football game. I worked at the SB this weekend simply because I was given the once in a lifetime opportunity to do so and I knew I would never spend the money to actually attend one.

If it were just about 'the game', it would be great... but, it's not. Don't get me wrong, it was one hell of a show and the week of events (weather be damned) presented a lot of opportunities for people to have a great time.

It costs $25 an adult and $20 per child just to attend the NFL Experience and unfortunately, I decided NOT to wait 2 hours in line just to get my tickets and get into the event. But, people did pay and they did wait.

Those $800 nosebleed seats that were selling for several thousand dollars... well, I wouldn't pay $400, but there were a lot of 'average' fans that were paying the crazy prices.

Point is... it won't stop until people decide not to pay and I just don't see that happening. Concession pricing alone would convince me not to go to the game.

As far as tax payer $ goes... they didn't pay for half of the Cowboys' stadium. And, they'll get their money back quickly on it - it happened when they paid for the Ballpark for the Rangers.

I don't know what the final financial numbers will be, but I'm sure the North Texas area made off pretty well because of the SB. Jerry will continue to host every event he can to pay for his portion...

Unfortunately though, the SB is no longer something the average fan can truly enjoy... hell, regular games are too expensive in my opinion.
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